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In 1980s Los Angeles, a bank was robbed every hour (2019)

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Re: In 1980s Los Angeles, a bank was robbed every hour (2019)

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It's interesting how the Werther-effect has been a topic for speculation, and even governmental action, for literally centuries, yet we don't seem to be any closer to acknowledging it, if it's actually a thing, or coming to any solid conclusions as what to do about if it actually is a thing. It's also kind of weird how in the English-language sphere it's apparently only known/relevant for "copycat suicide" [0], when…

You could look to the UK for examples of action being taken specifically around suicide. Broadcasters have self-imposed guidelines that they follow. The regulators are aware of these guidelines and the need for them. Journalist unions have created a set of guidelines that attempt to balance freedom to report with the need to protect the public. (For something more specific: when you report someone has died in a publi…

> You could look to the UK for examples of action being taken specifically around suicide.

But taking actions alone is not really a good indicator for how effective these actions actually are, particularly on such complex socioeconomic topics like suicide where most likely a whole slew of factors play a role.

So while one could look at the UK, what's missing there is something to compare it to, as just comparing to other countries alone doesn't really say much about how much these actions actually factor in the differences.

> On your wider point, all our broadcasters are aware of "imitative acts" and so they're very careful when showing children doing violent or dangerous things.

Is that also why a Star Trek episode, that mentioned Irish unification as an example of "terrorism working", had that scene cut from being broadcast on UK TV? [0]

Those are the kind of consequences where the waters suddenly become very murky: Most people would probably agree with protecting vulnerable populations from something like suicide. But what if that logic is extended to trying to protect even not so vulnerable populations from the "wrong ideas"?

[0] https://www.irishpost.com/news/star-trek-the-next-generation...

Re: In 1980s Los Angeles, a bank was robbed every hour (2019)

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Also interesting that as a kid born in 1980 at the start of the drug violence epidemic, we were allowed to roam as we pleased as long as we were home for dinner. Contrast that to today's vastly safer world, and kids are not allowed to walk the neighborhood unsupervised.

Is there a chance for causal relationship?

No, you are a Russian retard.

Re: In 1980s Los Angeles, a bank was robbed every hour (2019)

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It's sort of funny how you get used to things and normalize them, especially the violence that occurs in the US. I lived in Chicago for nearly a decade, much of it on the near west side, and it was normal to hear gunshots a few blocks away. Violent crime was normal - a pub restaurant I used to take my kids to along with other families, had a brutal murder where someone got their throat slit. And I wasn't living in a…

So what you are telling me, all those movies, it's not just Hollywood magic, it's reality? Ugh.

Counterpoint: I lived in the North side of Chicago and worked downtown for a few years and I never heard a gunshot. Violence in Chicago is very localized in certain neighborhoods (West side and South side when I was there, not sure about now).

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> televangelist and cult scams Well... I agree that at least Scientology has died down a little (even though Shelly Miscavige is still missing), but televangelists are as strong as ever, and not just that Kenneth Copeland guy.

What? Scientology has never been stronger. They're on their way to literally owning an entire downtown city in Florida (forget which one).

You're referring to Clearwater? Yes, I agree, but the influence of Scientology to the large world is... just who gives a fuck about them any more?

Most of Europe sees them either as a business or as a cult (France) or as a threat to democracy (Germany, applicants to public service have to declare they're unaffiliated with the bunch). Worldwide, it's membership numbers are falling (https://www.ualberta.ca/folio/2018/01/once-thriving-church-o...).

Many popular front people have either died off or deserted Scientology.

Re: In 1980s Los Angeles, a bank was robbed every hour (2019)

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It's sort of funny how you get used to things and normalize them, especially the violence that occurs in the US. I lived in Chicago for nearly a decade, much of it on the near west side, and it was normal to hear gunshots a few blocks away. Violent crime was normal - a pub restaurant I used to take my kids to along with other families, had a brutal murder where someone got their throat slit. And I wasn't living in a…

So what you are telling me, all those movies, it's not just Hollywood magic, it's reality? Ugh.

You ever see Taxi Driver? Apparently that movie's depiction of NYC in the 70s was not that far off from reality, and it's jarring.

Re: In 1980s Los Angeles, a bank was robbed every hour (2019)

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> televangelist and cult scams Well... I agree that at least Scientology has died down a little (even though Shelly Miscavige is still missing), but televangelists are as strong as ever, and not just that Kenneth Copeland guy.

What? Scientology has never been stronger. They're on their way to literally owning an entire downtown city in Florida (forget which one).

Clearwater

Re: In 1980s Los Angeles, a bank was robbed every hour (2019)

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It's sort of funny how you get used to things and normalize them, especially the violence that occurs in the US. I lived in Chicago for nearly a decade, much of it on the near west side, and it was normal to hear gunshots a few blocks away. Violent crime was normal - a pub restaurant I used to take my kids to along with other families, had a brutal murder where someone got their throat slit. And I wasn't living in a…

So what you are telling me, all those movies, it's not just Hollywood magic, it's reality? Ugh.

It was for a time. It's not like that anymore, although it is trending that way again in many cities (homicides are up 50%+ in many American cities this year).

Although to be fair, a lot of the crime is in areas the average HN user wouldn't be in. Most people are not worried about getting carjacked or mugged during their commute and have no reason to be. The US is a big place and problems that affect certain parts of it are usually not present throughout the whole country.

Re: In 1980s Los Angeles, a bank was robbed every hour (2019)

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When pundits --on either side of the pollical spectrum--talk about how bad America is or how things are on the verge of collapse societally, show them stats such as this. By almost every metric, as bad as things may seem, they were objectively worse decades ago. Yeah, it feels like people are angrier than ever, especially online, but Twitter is not real life. A combination of increased tech surveillance, longer priso…

But they were objectively better 1-2 years ago. E.g. violent crime is up significantly this year.

Re: In 1980s Los Angeles, a bank was robbed every hour (2019)

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I'm in the middle of the book Days of Rage, which is about some of the violent protest movements in the 70s. Really amazing how many bombings there were back then too. Thousands per year in some cases IIRC. Most were small and did not do much damage or kill anyone however.

Re: In 1980s Los Angeles, a bank was robbed every hour (2019)

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Not just in the US. Also in Europe and most of the developed world. Violence peaked in 80's - 90s and then started to decrease dramatically. Lead–crime connection is the strongest explanation. Past lead exposure functions as a predictor for criminal activity. Crime starts to drop in every country after the use of leaded gasoline is forbidden. New evidence that lead exposure increases crime https://www.brookings.edu/b…

While the lead theory may indeed be true, one other thing has changed in almost all areas of the world. Birth rates. And with declining birth rates, comes a decline in the number of youth, meaning "more of the population" is of an older age. Men are typically at their most aggressive when young adults, and those which have started families, have a different perspective on life. Note: not saying the above is the cause…

Maybe this has something to do with it?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-testosterone-levels-dc...

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