Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses • Hacker News Board

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by bswinnerton » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 12:33 PM UTC

kbumsik wrote: post #150

nodesocket wrote: post #116

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How did you acquire the original 10k addresses and what year was this?

Yeah I am curious too. How to own a public IP? Does it work like getting a domain name?

Generally speaking you request them from a regional internet registry (RIR). In North America, the RIR is ARIN https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/request. Bear in mind it’s harder and harder to get V4 addresses from an RIR these days, but it’s still possible. Once they are allocated to you, you have to find a place to announce them. Some “cloud” based solutions are Neptune Networks (https://neptunenetworks.org/) or Vultr (https://www.vultr.com/).

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by benhurmarcel » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 12:42 PM UTC

knorker wrote: post #161

i_like_to_post wrote: post #130

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The problem with IPv6 is that it's a fundamentally flawed design. Which looks easier to input / dictate over the phone / write down somewhere? 220.12.30.01 or 2001:cdba:0000:0000:0000:0000:3257:9652?

When's the last time you gave an IPv4 address over the phone? I've been in networking for 30 years, worked for multiple multinational ISPs, and the answer is basically never.

Every time I call tech support at my job so that they can remote in. Granted, it's the IP on the company's network so it can stay IPv4 forever.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by kornesh » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 12:51 PM UTC

ignoramous wrote: post #94

aritmo wrote: post #70

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What are they doing?

Industry leaders like NordVPN and ExpressVPN may engage in P2P routing (to use residential IPs especially) to unblock services like Netflix and Disney+ [1]. HolaVPN unapologetically does this too [2]. All of this is discounting the new-age dVPNs like Orchid (not quite the Tor replacement that was promised? [3]) and Mysterium [4]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21664692 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

How does residential IPs actual work?

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by fpig » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 12:59 PM UTC

gary_0 wrote: post #112

ignoramous wrote: post #94

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Industry leaders like NordVPN and ExpressVPN may engage in P2P routing (to use residential IPs especially) to unblock services like Netflix and Disney+ [1]. HolaVPN unapologetically does this too [2]. All of this is discounting the new-age dVPNs like Orchid (not quite the Tor replacement that was promised? [3]) and Mysterium [4]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21664692 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

The Internet detects geoblocking as damage and routes around it?

It's always good for a VPN to deny any information about the customer to a server, I would imagine that's not what was referred to as sketchy. Making a user indistinguishable from a typical user from country X is just the VPN doing its job correctly.

It seems, however, that at least some VPN providers use their customers' bandwidth without their knowledge to route other customers through it. I'd say that qualifies as sketchy.

Although on an entirely personal level, I'm not a fan of stuff like going through VPN to use Disney+. I think people should ideally either not watch or pirate geoblocked content. Consuming geoblocked content through VPNs is basically letting such companies get away with discrimination and still get your money.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by dijit » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:00 PM UTC

zokier wrote: post #61

dstick wrote: post #7

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Yes, I think it would. Because despite the obvious business advantage they have, any would-be competitor would need IPs at a similar scale. That will either cost a ton more than Amazon has, or they simply won’t be available. I own 2048 IPv4’s myself and their value is ever increasing. Like digital real estate, without the fluctuation of crypto. But I would prefer it if IPv6 would take over IPv4, and fast, because it…

> I own 2048 IPv4’s myself and their value is ever increasing. Like digital real estate, without the fluctuation of crypto. Until the day when ipv6-only connectivity becomes practical/commonplace. At some point ipv4 market is going to crash when they are simply not needed anymore. Of course that inflection point might still be quite far away, but I wouldn't count on ipv4 stock being a retirement fund

But you still need an ipv4 address even if it’s only 10% of people who are ipv4 only.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by rdbell » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:05 PM UTC

bluesign wrote: post #155

rdbell wrote: post #144

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My startup offers a residential IP sharing model where users get paid to share their bandwidth: https://packetstream.io

This is the one of the best (if not the best) solution out there I tried so far, congratulations. I am very happy to see it is from fellow HNer.

Thanks for the encouragement! I think I found your username in our DB, and I've added extra bandwidth credits to your account :)

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by levinb » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:10 PM UTC

OzzyB wrote: post #163

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Yea I got hired as a CTO for a startup in my late 20s and thought I had found my dream job. They offered to double my pay as a JR engineer which was a good amount of money for my age and was given 4% ownership that vested over 4 years. Well about 9 months in, the CEO decides the current business plan isn't viable and wanted to setup a competitor to his previous employer. He knew that this could very easily result in…

> Wyoming For those reading along, States like Wyoming (and New Mexico IIRC) are attractive for these kind of LLC fillings b/c they don't have a public Company Databases. That, and cheap taxes/fees.

This is going to start to change: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25395278

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by oarsinsync » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:12 PM UTC

rdbell wrote: post #144

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Very often your residential connection is sold as proxy to e.g. circumvent rate limits. Companies like luminati are used for example for scraping google search results and many more things.

My startup offers a residential IP sharing model where users get paid to share their bandwidth: https://packetstream.io

My first thought was seeing the 90% cut despite (presumably) traffic not having to transit your network.

My second thought was hoping traffic actually does get proxied through your network, and isn’t pure P2P, to provide anonymity between users.

My third thought was that I should sign up regardless, as this could be useful!

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by oarsinsync » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:18 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #175

zokier wrote: post #61

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> I own 2048 IPv4’s myself and their value is ever increasing. Like digital real estate, without the fluctuation of crypto. Until the day when ipv6-only connectivity becomes practical/commonplace. At some point ipv4 market is going to crash when they are simply not needed anymore. Of course that inflection point might still be quite far away, but I wouldn't count on ipv4 stock being a retirement fund

But you still need an ipv4 address even if it’s only 10% of people who are ipv4 only.

If 90% of users are on IPv6, you as a content producer are unlikely to need IPv4 at $20/IP (or rather, $5120 per /24).

If 90% of content is on IPv6, you as a user are unlikely to need an IPv4 address.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by lizknope » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:19 PM UTC

knorker wrote: post #161

i_like_to_post wrote: post #130

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The problem with IPv6 is that it's a fundamentally flawed design. Which looks easier to input / dictate over the phone / write down somewhere? 220.12.30.01 or 2001:cdba:0000:0000:0000:0000:3257:9652?

When's the last time you gave an IPv4 address over the phone? I've been in networking for 30 years, worked for multiple multinational ISPs, and the answer is basically never.

6 months ago.

I let about 10 family and friends connect directly to my home server. My firewall blocks everything except for these 10 IP addresses.

I did get tired of having them figure out their IP address so now I just tell them to access a dummy page page on my external VPS and I check the web server log to see their IP to add to my firewall config.