Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by langbot » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:37 PM UTC

mkl95 wrote: post #65

Whatsapp is extremely dominant in my country, but I keep encouraging friends and acquaintances to install Telegram. As far as I know, there won't be anything preventing FB from geoblocking European users when the company eventually gets in some serious trouble, like it just did in the US.

"geoblocking European users" is already happening. They recently announced some major API changes on the messenger platform that only affect user's from Europe or businesses based in Europe and gave developers about 2 weeks to make changes https://developers.facebook.com/docs/messenger-platform/euro...

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by dalbasal » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

andjd wrote: post #151

rattray wrote: post #48

"But senators, we can't break up these three unrelated services because they all use the same messaging infrastructure!"

Ok, so instead of breaking you up into three companies, we'll break you up into 4. The fourth can own the messaging infrastructure and license it out to anyone interested. I can find a legal solution to your technical blockades. Be careful what you ask for.

>I can find a legal solution to your technical blockades. Be careful what you ask for.

legislative... senator.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by ForTheWin98 » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:43 PM UTC

"Show me the incentives and I'll show you the outcome"

With Facebook products, you see outages in December and May. Why? Those are the last few weeks to complete your project before your performance review. Miss this window and you find yourself in career trouble. Facebook employees put a tremendous amount of pressure on themselves during these months.

I would not be surprised if this outage was caused by a bad pull request related to a new project.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by mikem170 » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:48 PM UTC

mrits wrote: post #138

abernard1 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I laughed at this because I thought the same thing. Conspiratorial or no, that line of argument won't fly. Saying everything is so integrated that it can't possibly be decentralized is basically proof of monopoly.

I think the arguments will be - FTC Approved these as as legitimate acquisitions - Facebook has direct competitors that can overtake them in just a few years - Instagram was made by a few python coders in months. This shows how easy it is to make a product that competes with Facebook

> Facebook has direct competitors that can overtake them in just a few years

>Instagram was made by a few python coders in months. This shows how easy it is to make a product that competes with Facebook

Then why did Facebook buy Instagram, instead whipping up some python code on their own if it's so easy?

I would conclude they bought them to be anti-competitive.

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by gregq » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:57 PM UTC

ssivark wrote: post #169

not_knuth wrote: post #119

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Well as always, that can easily be done on Linux. There is even a widget on KDE that lets you do precisely that.

Please say more!

I know of that: https://store.kde.org/p/998902/

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by hyeomans » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:03 PM UTC

ForTheWin98 wrote: post #173

"Show me the incentives and I'll show you the outcome" With Facebook products, you see outages in December and May. Why? Those are the last few weeks to complete your project before your performance review. Miss this window and you find yourself in career trouble. Facebook employees put a tremendous amount of pressure on themselves during these months. I would not be surprised if this outage was caused by a bad pull…

do people get fired or not promoted?

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by vmception » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:15 PM UTC

anonymou2 wrote: post #144

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #128

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Root Cause Analysis has determined that solar flares, which come from the Sun, are the reason any life exists on Earth. Without the sun, no technical evolution would have occurred and no outage in Facebook's infrastructure would have happened.

wow... Haven't you heard about the Big Bang?

is that sarcasm? because I can play, but only if we confirm this is sarcasm

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by parliament32 » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:16 PM UTC

l1ghthouse wrote: post #75

m-p-3 wrote: post #49

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It makes me sad those aren't new Signal users :(

I know Telegram is less secure and Secret Chats are an opt-in. Security-wise Signal would be better... but: Signal experience isn't that good. Alien from the platform they run on. For example, no system recommendations to send this person a message or share something with them through signal.. Telegram is more a platform native and integrated into the system. Also there is the issue of messages arriving late (not min…

I can share to Signal or contacts-via-Signal, and have been for years... I think this is a you problem.

Signal is honestly fantastic as a SMS-replacement app. It sends Signal messages to contacts with Signal and normal SMS to contacts without (Telegram might do the same thing, being able to set it as your default SMS app, I'm not sure).

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by jbverschoor » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:23 PM UTC

another_kel wrote: post #125

jbverschoor wrote: post #78

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Why telegram and not signal?

Because few people care about privacy but many care about UI, UX & features. Telegram is better there than any other chat app by a susbstantial margin.

I like the UX of whatsapp / messenger.

Also, telegram isn’t private either afaik.

In terms of contact info.. I kind of like knowing who I’m talking with

Re: Facebook Messenger, Instagram and WhatsApp Outage

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Post by mrits » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:26 PM UTC

mikem170 wrote: post #174

mrits wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the arguments will be - FTC Approved these as as legitimate acquisitions - Facebook has direct competitors that can overtake them in just a few years - Instagram was made by a few python coders in months. This shows how easy it is to make a product that competes with Facebook

> Facebook has direct competitors that can overtake them in just a few years >Instagram was made by a few python coders in months. This shows how easy it is to make a product that competes with Facebook Then why did Facebook buy Instagram, instead whipping up some python code on their own if it's so easy? I would conclude they bought them to be anti-competitive.

For their users.