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Less than half of Americans know that alcohol is a carcinogen

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Re: Less than half of Americans know that alcohol is a carcinogen

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Rule of thumb : if your food, beverage, dye, or aromatic scent readily undergoes chemical reactions, it might not be safe. Alcohol is quite chemically reactive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol#Reactions Burnt or charred food has loads of polyaromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) that have lots of potential for chemistry (delocalized electrons = very reactive). They pose extreme cancer risk, and might be one of the most i…

> Alcohol is quite chemically reactive:

All food is quite chemically reactive; that is one of the main points of eating.

Re: Less than half of Americans know that alcohol is a carcinogen

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> then the state looks like it's doing something for people without changing anything materially. You've just described California politics perfectly.

This is anecdotal, but one thing I have noticed about Californians is that there is a sense that government inaction is worse than government action. In other words, if there is some problem (real or perceived), the state can't simply do nothing about it. And, the politicians of California are enthusiastic about creating new bureaucracy to enforce the newly minted laws. Which they usually pay for by creating some spe…

That's the legacy of Reganomics and the collapse of the New Deal coalition. Sucks, but we'll do better soon hopefully.

Re: Less than half of Americans know that alcohol is a carcinogen

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post #63

Rule of thumb : if your food, beverage, dye, or aromatic scent readily undergoes chemical reactions, it might not be safe. Alcohol is quite chemically reactive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol#Reactions Burnt or charred food has loads of polyaromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) that have lots of potential for chemistry (delocalized electrons = very reactive). They pose extreme cancer risk, and might be one of the most i…

What about carbonated beverages? Those react with a lot of stuff

Re: Less than half of Americans know that alcohol is a carcinogen

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Those who decide what gets a label have no downside to adding the wrong thing, and no upside to incorrectly leaving the label off something. As such if there is even the slightest possibility they mandate the label. Few bother to fight them, so everything has the label. Roundup is the only case I know of that was successful: it has been well studied and found not cancerous in the vast majority of studies. So the few…

> found not cancerous in the vast majority of studies I just spent 30 minutes googling and found the opposite, with CDC, WHO, EPA and EU all in disagreement with one another! Forbes, NYT, and several other sites indicate increases in leukemia, other new evidence, and even a $10B settlement by Bayer (Monsanto's owner) that will keep evidence sealed. IMO, this is clearly not settled. So I choose to make a rational deci…

The burden of proof in a court case doesn't require any science. Roundup is used in large quantities by farmers, but the rates of cancer are different only for reasons that are already explained by known causes. in expected amounts.

Re: Less than half of Americans know that alcohol is a carcinogen

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Yeah this is more of "why can't mommy protect us from the world?"

This article isn’t arguing for protection measures. It just says that “Big Booze” is working to prevent studies showing that alcohol is bad. Not much different that “Big Tobacco” decades ago.

Suppose the studies showing alcohol is bad were not suppressed? (Not even caring whether it is actually true or not.) Then what is the next step?

Re: Less than half of Americans know that alcohol is a carcinogen

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Not related to the carcinogenic effect or to Americans but to the “life ruining” effect and the general association of alcohol as a bad thing: in India, the movies allowed for public screening are required by the Central Board of Film Certification (CBFC, also known commonly as the Censor Board), in scenes showing the smoking of cigarettes or the consumption of alcohol, a ticker with messages that they’re dangerous to health. This is shown in the language of the movie (India has 22 official languages). Cable broadcasts and streaming service providers sometimes include this message ticker or blur the bottle or glass in such scenes (or remove them outright).

Socially, women and children bear the brunt of alcoholism by the men in the house. So there have been long time protests favoring prohibition in many states. Some states have also officially prohibited alcohol (resulting in smuggling and also the preparation of bootleg liquor that tends to kill people often) while some other states have state run liquor shops. The governments do earn a lot of money from tax revenues, and wouldn’t want to completely give up alcohol.

Re: Less than half of Americans know that alcohol is a carcinogen

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My experience is that I have to proactively educate myself as best I can about the physical risks of daily living. This includes a staggering amount of items: food, clothes, containers, cookware, makeup, cleaning supplies, paint, home goods, medicine, electronics. It's an impossible task, but I see a lot of people doing the same: building a personalized set of things to watch out for. (Buy organic, wash produce/grain…

Well put! I feel like the media is supposed to be doing a better job at warning people about these things. I have a hard time believing it's not profitable enough for them to do. Are they as in the dark about it all as everyone else?

Re: Less than half of Americans know that alcohol is a carcinogen

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post #17

I bought a large mixing bowl, and it had a California Cancer label on the bottom. It's a regular metal bowl. If you put cancer labels on everything, people will quickly ignore them. Maybe it would be better if there was a scale on it, like this is a 1 banana equivalent risk or something, but then how do you determine my exposure to the cancer in the metal bowl.

I think that was the idea. If the warnings were effective, then business processes are affected. If consumers can be trained to ignore them, then the state looks like it's doing something for people without changing anything materially.

“The state” has nothing to do with it. This was voted into law by regular voters. Think of it every time someone assumes the common citizen should be involved in writing laws.

Re: Less than half of Americans know that alcohol is a carcinogen

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If anyone is interested in tempering their consumption based on this information (as I was), I made a free and open source iOS app a while ago that allows you to track your drinks and stay under a weekly limit of your choice. Features Untappd and HealthKit integration!

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/good-spirits/id1434237439

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