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Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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Having followed hearings related to Libra, sure there is a lot of posturing. However, first, some MP asks precise critical questions. Secondly, it seems that even for trained CEOs one hour of intense questioning takes a toll. I've rarely heard something new, but you can detect some of their personality, their contradictions, the important points for MP ...

It'd be nice to see more cooperative questioning. If no answer is given, have the next questioner ask the same question again. At some point, that's going to get under even Zuckerberg's skin.

I noticed that the Supreme Court justices did that, in the Oracle vs Google hearing.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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One side is actively telling people to "rise up" [0] in a state that recently had a terrorist plot to kidnap the governor [1]. And that had an armed occupation of the house of government [2]. And who were recently told by the President to "stand by" [3]. The other side is saying not to actively invite violence. I'm pretty sure those are not equivalent positions. [0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/11/trump-a…

I wasn't saying that the left and right hold equivalent positions. My point was that the comment I was responding to was vague and could be read in a variety of ways.

Ah, that would make sense. I've been getting frustrated at the "both sides" talking point, as it frequently comes up when discussing superficial similarities, and misinterpreted your comment.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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What counts as misinformation: generalization? Omission? There might be a partisan-associated divide among these forms of lying, but I don’t want to risk generalizing about Republicans and Democrats nor omitting that I didn’t watch the testimony either. The real takeaway is they should disseminate the transcriptions not the videos. One thing I feel comfortable generalizing about is, everyone should fucking read more.

At some point, I don't even think some of that nuance matters anymore. Spin is out the window. Straight up lying with easily disprovable claims is in. Anyway, I dont think the speculation is off the mark, since every previous session was pretty much just like what user said. Also, judging from this feed I'm reading, its not even far off.

Just watch it. @furyofantares is pretty much spot on here.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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> The Left and the Right used to agree that freedom of speech was fairly sacrosanct. Ha. "Agreed" only in the most superficial way. You might have caught people saying it occasionally. If you follow civil liberties debates and the politics thereof you know there's often a gap between what politicians (or just ordinary people) say about freedom of speech and what they actually believe and do. In the US the politics of…

As an immigrant, I find the Pledge of Allegiance pretty creepy. I don't think it has anything substantial to do with freedom of speech issues. Obscenity laws and flag burning are better examples.

The pledge itself is creepy but isn't a free speech issue. Compelled recitation of the pledge by agents of the state, like schools, at least to me, is.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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The Republicans are pretty clearly wanting to remove legal protections of section 230 of the CDA for social media companies that are acting as quasi-publishers by suppressing the speech of users on their platforms. The Democrats want more effort made by social media companies to fight what they perceive as online misinformation... and are asking for more suppression of speech on social media platforms. Nobody is hidi…

I disagree, and am glad you clarified your position. My view is that these companies are privately run and online communities should be free to run them as they wish. If, say, Christian Mingle wants to ban atheists from using the platform to spread their message, they should be allowed to do that without suddenly taking on liability for things like copyright infringement. If a woodworking community wants to ban discu…

If I, as a user of social media, want to belong to a community that removes misinformation around the election, government shouldn't ban such a platform from allowing to exist (since without 230,

You continue to indicate that you haven't actually listened to the arguments made.

The Republican argument is not about whether or not a company can censor information on their platform. In no way is it about the government's "banning" the existence of such a platform.

It's about whether or not the government should blanket protect companies from normal legal liability when they make publishing/editorial decisions over their users' content. That's what Section 230 does.

If Section 230 is removed or amended to the liking of Republicans, it won't be the government that punishes Twitter for their editorial/censoring decisions - it will be everyday people who can make a libel case based upon harm that Twitter caused them. Why should everyday people not be allowed their day in court if they can make a legitimate case of harm as a result of Twitter or Facebook policies?

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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> The Left and the Right used to agree that freedom of speech was fairly sacrosanct. Ha. "Agreed" only in the most superficial way. You might have caught people saying it occasionally. If you follow civil liberties debates and the politics thereof you know there's often a gap between what politicians (or just ordinary people) say about freedom of speech and what they actually believe and do. In the US the politics of…

As an immigrant, I find the Pledge of Allegiance pretty creepy. I don't think it has anything substantial to do with freedom of speech issues. Obscenity laws and flag burning are better examples.

I don't understand your comment. Regardless of where you stand on the topic, I don't think it's controversial that compelled recitation of the pledge is debated in public and argued about in the courts as a first amendment freedom of speech issue.

(after reading your comment below I think I get it. It's one of the infringements of freedom of speech that you're willing to tolerate because it's merely "creepy?" If so, that's illustrative of the larger point I was trying to make about people treating freedom of speech hypocritically.)

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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As an immigrant, I find the Pledge of Allegiance pretty creepy. I don't think it has anything substantial to do with freedom of speech issues. Obscenity laws and flag burning are better examples.

The pledge itself is creepy but isn't a free speech issue. Compelled recitation of the pledge by agents of the state, like schools, at least to me, is.

"Free speech" to me means you can say whatever the hell you want.

Occasionally being compelled to say something is also bad, but a separate issue to me.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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unrelated but has anyone discovered why Jack Dorsey looks like a seventeenth century Mennonite instead of a CEO of one of the largest social sites in the world?

Because his eccentricity is in part why he founded and is CEO of Twitter and Square? Several million clean cut business suits could have been running them, but they're not.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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It's not your fault that this is the top comment in the thread at this time, but I find it somewhat ironic that I watched the testimony on disinformation -- and it didn't go too much like this comment suggested it would -- and then came here to find the top post is dismissive, incorrect speculation about the content.

Let's not forget that Jack's beard looks straight out of Lord of the Rings.

But that would insult Lord of the Rings. His beard and nose ring, with his smug manner, combined with the alien-looking Zuckerberg and his style, should provoke everyone's primal instincts to avoid anything these guys have built.

Re: Watch live: Zuckerberg, Dorsey testify before Senate [video]

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No my argument is that NBC and AP are not official sources and are being presented as such.

The "official sources" are the election results tabulated by each state. NBC and AP collate this data and show that Biden has enough electoral votes to win. That is what is meant by "call". A "call" is what happens before the electors meet to vote. To suggest that you need to wait until January 6th or whenever in order to "call" the election is absurd.

Twitter removed the wording because it was wrong. What are you arguing about?
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