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Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by nobody9999 »

IndySun wrote: post #129
Findeton wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I helped create the Spanish Pirate Party so I strongly believe Funkwhale is perfectly moral. If my idols want some money, I'll be happy to go to a concert or buy their music from their webpage (but I don't think Jimi Hendrix will complain much these days).

Idols? Famous guitarists that have bubbled under your nose? What about new guitarists?

>Idols? Famous guitarists that have bubbled under your nose? What about new guitarists?

What about them?

If I purchase music, it's because I want to listen to that music.

Whether that's Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Lari Basilio, Nick Johnston or anyone else, what business is it of yours (or anyone else, for that matter) how or where I listen to the music that I've purchased?

This is the first I'm hearing about Funk Whale and I fully intend to install it, as I've been looking for a decent self-hosted, streaming music server to listen to music owned by me.

It's likely that it won't meet my needs and I'll move on to something else.

I suppose that just about any music streaming server could be used to take food out of the mouths of the starving children of musicians.

Rather than assuming (as it appears you are doing) that everyone who uses a self-hosted streaming server is engaged in stealing from musicians, please let us (me, especially) know what platform you would recommend as a personal streaming server.

I'd really appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by crispyambulance »

greggman3 wrote: post #118
dvno42 wrote: post #19

I've been using this for a little over a year and like it a lot but it lacks the music discovery features of commercial platforms (which becomes important when you have terabytes of music) and takes a lot of effort to organize music and create play lists. The music onboarding process typically starts with organizing metadata with Musicbrainz Picard then import the collection into Funkwhale's DB via a cli admin tool.…

Which music service's discovery features actually work? For me the only one that worked was Google Play Music. The rest have been total and utter crap at discovery.

> Which music service's discovery features actually work?

It depends on what you mean by "work".

Discovery capabilities have certainly gotten vastly better. 10+ years ago, the only decent one was the now (effectively) defunct Last.fm. These days, they're all pretty good. Spotify, pandora, google music, and now youtube music will do a good job of giving you recommendations based strictly on what you've been cue-ing up.

But the recommendations from these services are the equivalent of going into a record store and getting advice from a dim-witted and disinterested employee. You'll get all the obvious stuff, maybe things you forgot about, and if you happen to like popular stuff the recommendations will work OK. But you won't get challenging, provocative recommendations that expand your taste. You'll get cloying recommendations that try to cater to your taste like it was a static attribute. Oh, yeah, and there's "the surveillance capitalism thing" which happens to be the centerpiece of all these services. Is that a problem? Yes.

The best "discovery algorithm" is still HUMAN BEINGS.

If your cool friends aren't available, then the next best thing is a mag like pitchfork (https://pitchfork.com/), xlr8r (https://xlr8r.com/) or in-depth reviews like Anthony Fantano's channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/theneedledrop).

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by perakojotgenije »

IndySun wrote: post #113

"Hi, we're Funkwhale. We use cool words like decentralized, self-hosted, music, server, and of course, funk & whale. If we named it more honestly, then our defunding of musicians and creatives that depended on sales wouldn't get any love (not publicly anyway), plus the ethically vacant developers would have to work on it secretly. And to be sure, we ourselves do not create or rely on income from artistic endeavours,…

relevant xkcd - steal this comic:

https://xkcd.com/488/

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by generalk »

disruptalot wrote: post #29
JacobSuperslav wrote: post #9

I know this kind of thing might not be very popular on HN, but I like their anti-meritocracy statement: https://funkwhale.audio/en_US/code-of-conduct

> Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > Gracefully accepting constructive feedback. > Showing empathy and kindness towards other community members. Yada yada, seemingly inclusive and tolerant then goes on to add a catch all list where every possible action can be deemed unacceptable, getting you expelled everywhere and "identification of the participant as a harasser to other members or the gene…

Which of the actions they've listed would you like to be able to do without fear of repercussion? This sounds an awful lot like "No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service? So much for the 'tolerant left.'"

  > Anti meritocracy is a cover for the most intolerant.
The Paradox of Tolerance indicates that a society that is infinitely tolerant will eventually be overrun by the least tolerant.

Having a written set of guidelines that define the behavior expected seems like...I dunno, a good idea?

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by _jal »

tchaffee wrote: post #167
_jal wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems like you are implying I am. You are here talking down the tool and implying software you have not used is not legal while uncritically repeating their claims, which are more aggressive than many copyright lawyers believe is accurate. I'm sorry if you find my flip characterization uncharitable. If you need a less off-the-cuff one, you are uncritically lending your voice to the legacy copyright cartel's cont…

> you are uncritically lending your voice to the legacy copyright cartel's continuing attempts to monopolize music distribution. Especially when I said this, right? "If there is a service that pays musicians directly and cuts out ASCAP and RIAA, then even better."

OK, that does require an apology; I missed that, and it does change the tenor of your argument. It is unclear to me how to combine supporting musicians' abusers with supporting musicians, but this is not a productive conversation, so I'm dropping it.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by m-p-3 »

greggman3 wrote: post #118
dvno42 wrote: post #19

I've been using this for a little over a year and like it a lot but it lacks the music discovery features of commercial platforms (which becomes important when you have terabytes of music) and takes a lot of effort to organize music and create play lists. The music onboarding process typically starts with organizing metadata with Musicbrainz Picard then import the collection into Funkwhale's DB via a cli admin tool.…

Which music service's discovery features actually work? For me the only one that worked was Google Play Music. The rest have been total and utter crap at discovery.

I personally enjoy Spotify discovery a lot, the "Discover Weekly" and "Release Radar" playlists made me discover some bands I would have otherwise missed.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by Dirlewanger »

herbstein wrote: post #164
birracerveza wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You like an ANTI -meritocracy statement? We truly have gone backwards.

The word 'meritocracy' was coined as a derogatory term about the education system in England in the 50s in a satirical text. It mocked the idea that such a thing could exist because the system obviously wasn't designed for it. If you value "intelligence", but only give rich people access to good education, then you've just created a two-step process that selects for rich people.

Ok, so what? It's not used in that context anymore. It's the same pitfall as the master/slave/blacklist/whitelist/etc. arguments: people have a problem divorcing historical meaning from present-day usage. Meanings change and evolve over time. If we follow this stunted logic, then there's going to be a lot of other English words/phrases that need to be banned as well. The only people associating them with their historical meanings are those wanting to ban the phrases. These etymological fallacies do nothing but pointlessly divide people. It needs to stop.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by Lambdanaut »

keyle wrote: post #93
TheUndead96 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

groove shark, now theres a name I have not heard for a long time...

Grooveshark was awesome! From the brand, the UI, the service. RIP Grooveshark.

They really were the best, and they had obscure music that I would have never expected they'd have. Old SNES game OST like the super mario rpg soundtrack was there. It felt like if I could think it, I could find it. Ad-free and flawless free experience.

Truly a gem.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by generalk »

disruptalot wrote: post #50
glenstein wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To include some important information you left out: It says that sexual harassment is bad and that racism is bad, and using jokes to "ironically" do things like that is also bad.

Problem is, making accusation of such is a breeze. > Intentionally posting or disseminating libel, slander, or other disinformation. Let's face it. It's just a policy that allows them to expel anyone that doesn't fit their views, whatever that may be.

Which community have you been a part of, online or otherwise, where "flagrant violation of the norms" doesn't carry the potential for expulsion?

Without a written code of conduct, there are still values, views, and norms, usually created and run by the most disruptive members who are free to behave in any way they see fit and ostracize those who that behavior hurts.

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