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Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deutsche Bank

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Re: Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deutsche Bank

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Post by barumi »

dwaltrip wrote: post #156
barumi wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Examples of large, modern societies flourishing without the use of taxation? This is a disingenuous red herring. It's one thing to claim that some amount of taxes to finance public spending can be benefitial to society. It's an entirely different thing to claim that taxing remote work brings any benefit to society.

I was responding to a comment about “ruining everything good with taxation”.

Sounds to me like taxing WFH fits the description of "ruining everything good with taxation".

I mean, there's already a progressive income tax. Why should society create incentives to commute to work?

Re: Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deutsche Bank

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Post by barumi »

aaomidi wrote: post #162
barumi wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Deutsche Bank placed number one in money laundering. How does that ad hominem refute or support the claim that remote workers should be taxed to subsidize vulnerable jobs?

Because it's a stupid statement when there are companies that are making more money this year than they did ever before and that billionaires have increased their wealth by so much during this pandemic.

> Because it's a stupid statement when there are companies that are making more money (...)

Again, that makes zero sense and is another blatant red herring. If the discussion is about taxing WFH to support vulnerable jobs, it makes absolutely no sense to waste time playing the whole whack-a-mole whataboutism game.

If you don't want to discuss the topic under discussion, please refrain from commenting at all. You'll only end up adding noise to an otherwise interesting discussion.

Re: Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deutsche Bank

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Post by raxxorrax »

We actually produce hardware locally and employees in production cannot just stay at home. Same is true for a lot of other industries, so it is unfair to a degree.

That said, Germany isn't exactly a tax haven and I wouldn't agree to a tax increase if it isn't for directly supporting business currently affected by the pandemic (it will be a very large invoice...)

Businesses not affected by the pandemic: Deutsche Bank

Get the financial transaction tax and it would end a lot of useless transactions immediately and would maybe end some parasitic industries. It is also unlikely to hit people in precarious positions.

Re: Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deutsche Bank

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Post by raxxorrax »

dwaltrip wrote: post #123
yonisto wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also need a name for those who wish to ruin everything good with taxation.

Examples of large, modern societies flourishing without the use of taxation?

We don't tax the richest companies because there is a race to the bottom. It is the success story of Dublin for example.

Re: Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deutsche Bank

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Post by pheres »

daniellarusso wrote: post #63
torben-friis wrote: post #35

This sounds like a horrible idea. Home work improves many peoples mental state, reduces time spent at work (if you count commutes), people's footprint in terms of pollution and allow for the redistribution of people that were clustered in big cities under asfixiating rent/home owning costs. Why on earth would we disincentivize it? >By working from home, people aren't paying for public transport or eating out at resta…

Preserve the status quo at all costs. Is there a term for that?

inertia

Re: Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deutsche Bank

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Post by dghf »

silvester23 wrote: post #54
svrtknst wrote: post #34

Counterpoint: Tax employers additionally, since they now face lower rent and spend less on office supplies and coffee. Or, hell, tax high-income earners. For instance bank executives working for shady banks

In the article, it says > The tax would be paid for by employers and the income generated would be paid to people who can't do their jobs from home. But somehow nobody in this thread seems to have read that sentence.

But it also says:

> "WFH offers direct financial savings on expenses such as travel, lunch, clothes and cleaning," he said.

> The 5% tax rate "will leave them no worse off than if they had chosen to go into the office".

That seems a pretty clear implication that the money will ultimately come out of their salaries.

Re: Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deutsche Bank

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Post by pavel_lishin »

barumi wrote: post #152
pavel_lishin wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the thing, everyone arguing against this tax is arguing for preserving the status quo as well. This pandemic has changed our situation, on every level from global to local. It's foolish to pretend it hasn't. I would gladly contribute a larger share of my income as taxes to ensure my community doesn't suffer, provided it was distributed equitably (which is a whole other complicated discussion.)

> I would gladly contribute a larger share of my income as taxes to ensure my community doesn't suffer (...) I would too, which is why I vote with my wallet and buy local, even at a premium, whenever I can. However, income tax is the exact opposite of helping out the community, as it's designed to fatten up the central government's revenue which is then used up to feed the state's current expenditure.

Buying local isn't going to fund my school district or fix potholes.

Re: Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deutsche Bank

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Post by dasKrokodil »

How is that supposed to be fair? Working from home, I now have to pay for the energy consumed by my work computer out of my own pocket, I have to have a desk which consumes precious space in my expensive apartment and nobody is compensating me for any of that. And now this shady institution wants me to pay an extra tax on top of that?

Re: Tax working from home 'to support vulnerable jobs' – Deutsche Bank

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Post by born_a_skeptic »

pydry wrote: post #48

Might Deutsche Bank be sitting on a non performing commercial real estate portfolio? Alan Sugar (British Trump equivalent) similarly issued a demand for people to "get their asses back in the office" after telling everybody his commercial real estate portfolio wasn't performing: https://www.standard.co.uk/business/lord-sugar-offices-prope... https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/03/lord-alan-sugar-calls-on-gove...

See, some people get it.
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