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Post by jariel »

echelon wrote: post #21

Seriously. What's the point of open source if companies just steal it, build billion dollar industries on top, and then lock everything down? Apple is telling us we can't run our own software on their goddamned devices, yet they built their empire on open source. Look at Facebook, Google, Amazon. They've extracted all the blood they can and given us back scraps. AWS is repackaged software you pay more for. Yes, it's…

"companies just steal it," - they're definitely not, they're using it well within the terms into which it's published.

Of course, there might hopefully be a better way of sorting this out so that if devs want to, they can also get some kind of 'open comp' as well.

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Post by stock_toaster »

echelon wrote: post #21

Seriously. What's the point of open source if companies just steal it, build billion dollar industries on top, and then lock everything down? Apple is telling us we can't run our own software on their goddamned devices, yet they built their empire on open source. Look at Facebook, Google, Amazon. They've extracted all the blood they can and given us back scraps. AWS is repackaged software you pay more for. Yes, it's…

Seems like Feudalism rides again. We’re just peasants working on a new set of kings’ land now.

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Post by goatinaboat »

ganafagol wrote: post #32
echelon wrote: post #21

Seriously. What's the point of open source if companies just steal it, build billion dollar industries on top, and then lock everything down? Apple is telling us we can't run our own software on their goddamned devices, yet they built their empire on open source. Look at Facebook, Google, Amazon. They've extracted all the blood they can and given us back scraps. AWS is repackaged software you pay more for. Yes, it's…

I agree with your sentiment, but this is not the right reaction. It won't improve anything. What's the point of open source if companies just steal it, build billion dollar industries on top, and then lock everything down? You are free to adjust the license to prevent this. But then tomorrow everybody comes and rants about that the GPL is too restrictive. That's the price we pay for this. It's the license that keeps…

But then tomorrow everybody comes and rants about that the GPL is too restrictive. That's the price we pay for this. It's the license that keeps work free.

SaaS is the “antidote” to GPL from a corporate point of view.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by sbuk »

echelon wrote: post #60
MaximumYComb wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Australia the streaming options for music/video are better than our previous options for CD's/cable. A three month subscription to Spotify costs less than a single album would cost me 20 years ago.... not even account for inflation. A monthly Netflix subscription is 20% of the price that cable would cost here 5 years ago.

> Spotify You don't own the music. You can't share it, use your own software to analyze, shuffle, remix it, etc. > Netflix subscription But now there's Hulu, Disney+, Amazon Prime, HBO Go, Showtime Anytime, Peacock Premium, etc. Except now instead of one easy to use interface to access it all, it's spread out all over the place and inconsistent as hell. And more expensive!

You never did “own” it on a CD, or for that matter a on vinyl or cassette. You owned a license to privately listen to your copy of the music, that lasts as long as the medium is playable. Recording from the radio is technically unlawful, as is playing the music at large gatherings or broadcasting the music. Same goes for video cassettes, DVDs and other mediums. What you do own is a physical copy of the music/film. You cannot do what you want with it, which is what you are implying. I’m not suggesting that this is fair or just either.

Also, if you’re arguing against 30% fees, Spotify takes about 30% as a margin on every fee they receive, more for ads.

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Post by pjmlp »

keyle wrote: post #119
pjmlp wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is what happens when the hipster folks attack GPL and push for MIT like licenses. Had Linus not chosen it for Linux and I bet I would still be using a mix of Solaris, Aix and HP-UX on the server room. Dual licensing is the only true path, it was already so in the shareware days, and it will be back to be the daily reality. Bills have to paid.

How does dual licensing works? Got a prime example simple to understand? Asking for a friend...

Just like Qt does it.

You don't want to pay upstream for their work? Use GPL license and get as much money as you are willing to give them.

Otherwise use it in a commercial setting, you need to pay for the commercial license instead.

It is not much different from the demo versions of shareware days, and yes even in those days you could get the source in some products.

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Post by alangibson »

wichert wrote: post #159
alangibson wrote: post #124

Has anyone ever heard of a service that allows users to attach bounties to issues? So if the open source developer fixes an issue, the developer gets the money offered by the issue reporter. Edit: Answering my own question. https://gitpay.me Doesn't appear to be too popular though: "We paid $2547 USD in bounties " Edit 2: No wonder it's not popular https://github.com/gitpay/website/pull/4

https://www.bountysource.com is one. I have used a few times to sponsor features in Weblate.

Looking at the Bountysource docs, it looks like users can offer bounties. Do you know if it has a Github integration that allows developers to post some sort of price schedule, or to request a bounty on a given issue?

Edit: It looks like there are red flags around Bountysource too:

https://blog.elementary.io/goodbye-bountysource-hello-github...

"If no Solution is accepted within two years after a Bounty is posted, then the Bounty will be withdrawn and the amount posted for the Bounty will be retained by Bountysource."

"In December, 2017, Bountysource was acquired by a cryptocurrency company called CanYa who redesigned the Bountysource site and service with a new cryptocoin focus."

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Post by [deleted] »

arthurcolle wrote: post #102

On Twitter, he claims that he was recently made homeless due to an apartment fire, and asks the community to send funds to help him avoid homelessness, which seems reasonable enough. He later goes on to describe "fake news written by the NY Post." I searched for this, and found an article that might be the article he describes (timing fits) [0] Pretty crazy story, all in all! He seems to be in some pretty dire strait…

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Post by siscia »

I tried (not very hard) and failed to life out of open source.

The real problem that I see, is that, the more I mature as engineer, the more my work improve, the more it is valuable, the less time I got to do it.

Often the choice is between time with my family and coding, and for how much I love coding, it won't beat time with the family.

It is a shame because there is a lot of open source work that we could do in a lot of area, even fundamental area like storage that is suppose to be stable and mature.

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by frereubu »

echelon wrote: post #21

Seriously. What's the point of open source if companies just steal it, build billion dollar industries on top, and then lock everything down? Apple is telling us we can't run our own software on their goddamned devices, yet they built their empire on open source. Look at Facebook, Google, Amazon. They've extracted all the blood they can and given us back scraps. AWS is repackaged software you pay more for. Yes, it's…

While I agree with some of your points - which to me mostly boils down to rent-seeking monopolies / duopolies - I think you're seriously underestimating the "Yes, it's managed..." part.

People are still perfectly at liberty to run their own servers, and the fees for running servers that handle the kinds of traffic that used to happen "when the Internet was actually pleasant" are peanuts. Running any kind of server used to involve purchasing hardware, bandwidth was orders of magnitude more expensive and so on.

This server-as-a-service means that for $5 a month I was able to build a Python Twitter bot that tweets the diary entries of a 17th century English naturalist[0,1]. It means I got to do something fun without the overhead of actually running the server. It's a small thing, and as I said I agree with what was probably the main thrust of what you were saying, but it really feels like you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater through your obvious exasperation.

[0] https://twitter.com/gilbertwhitetwt [1] https://gilbertwhitetweets.org/

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