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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by Valkhyr »

banana_giraffe wrote: post #151

> Soon after we released iSH without apk, we found users who had figured out a way to get apk back using wget and were posting about this throughout the internet. We suspect this was the reason why our rejection notice mentioned wget specifically As the writer of one of the links in that sentence, I almost feel bad for making the post I did. Almost. If I hadn't someone else would have, clearly. I'm not some super hac…

> Then again, maybe I'm just having a "get off my lawn" moment, and Apple is on the right path.

No, you are not wrong, and they are not on the right path, except maybe for themselves.

They have no right at all to tell people what they can and cannot do on devices that we paid for, and it's damned time that antitrust regulations somewhere forced them to allow sideloading and alternative app stores.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by RonanTheGrey »

cblconfederate wrote: post #123

Grabbing my popcorn to watch as the apple sympathizing crowd comes up with more excuses

I'd still like a good explanation why I can't do what I want with my phone.

You don't want do to that? Good, don't. Make it so that I can, if I have to tick a box somewhere hidden in Apple's labyrinthine and undiscoverable Settings app.

Of course, we already know the answer why I can't do what I want with my phone, because it isn't my phone, is it, Apple continues to think of it as theirs and they simply grudgingly rent it to you for awhile all the while treating you the user as the enemy.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by thekyle »

ratww wrote: post #143
dylan604 wrote: post #35

"we received a call from Apple" is this a literal statement where some human from Apple called on the telephone to speak to someone about this situation, or is this a phrase that actually means they received an email notification about the situation? I ask because it seems well outside the norm of no-human contact regarding support from FAANG companies.

I've even had Apple calling me back for consumer stuff. When I had a battery issue I called them and they called back with instructions on where to send it to it fixed. Their whole phone support system is kind of weirdly different, at least in the countries I used it (South America and Europe). It doesn't have call-centre noise, the accent matches the region I'm calling from, and the person on the other side seems to…

I remember I called Apple support a few years back to fix a 2FA problem and ended up chatting with the guy about Linux distros for about 10 minutes.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by NeutronStar »

vosper wrote: post #168
userbinator wrote: post #158

Apple clearly does not want you to have a general-purpose computer: https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html Everything is done with "security" as an excuse because it's hard to argue against[1], but I think people are slowly starting to see through that. Apple wants to control every aspect of your life, and if you let it, it will. I wonder whether those who work at Apple and are responsible for doing such thi…

> Apple clearly does not want you to have a general-purpose computer Can you explain the existence of the MacBook, iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro?

There are tremendous hurdles on those devices as well.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by Valkhyr »

mullingitover wrote: post #87

> Advanced users are welcome to build iSH themselves—it’s free and open source and always will be! I mean, the app store fiasco sucks, but at the same time if you're advanced enough to want a command line on an iDevice you're probably advanced enough to do 'git clone', hit the build button in XCode, and do a local install. It's grade school level of difficulty. Ideally they'd offer a release that you can build and in…

Whether you are advanced or not to do that doesn't matter.

I am advanced enough to sideload applications via XCode. I have done so. I stopped doing it, because reinstalling every 7 days is an annoyance that no app was worth. I switched to Android instead.

As another comment notes, this also does not cover people who have an iOS device but no Mac. Which is definitely an overwhelming majority of iOS owners in general (just looking at iOS vs Mac hardware sales), though I don't know about power users. I could see people who consider themselves iOS power users to also likely have a Mac, but at the same time I could also see them as wanting to use the Mac as little as possible.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by mcdevilkiller »

yakz wrote: post #78
mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

They can build on it... developers have been building on it for years and making money doing it. Don't make an app that allows users to run unapproved software. I think that's a pretty clear rule. If your app makes money (directly or indirectly), pay Apple whatever portion of your revenue that Apple demands. I also think that's a pretty clear rule. If there's something that should obviously be regulated out of existe…

They make an app (JavaScript engine, actually) that runs unapproved software. It's embedded in Safari.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by gorkish »

kmeisthax wrote: post #13

Apple: the iPad Pro is a computer Also Apple: how dare you make a sandboxed shell environment for it

The iPad is a wonderfully capable computer that is crippled by Apple's iOS into being the grown up version of a VTech Tote & Go

Apple wont change until they are forced.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by jshen »

I’ve been all in on Apple for about 15 years, but have been slowly moving away as it gets harder to use their products for development and power usage.

Got a windows laptop recently, and the developer experience is much better than Mac OS which surprised me. Thinking about getting a surface pro to replace my iPad for traveling.

Edit: the only thing that keeps me on the iPhone right now is that their hardware (chips in particular) are so much better.

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