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Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by gamblor956 »

rayiner wrote: post #127
gamblor956 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signatures are still required in Pennsylvania, and many states have allowed ballots to arrive after the election for decades, including 3 of the states still uncalled (NV, NC, and Georgia). Moreover, military votes have been allowed to arrive after election day in nearly all states since at least WWII.

It’s one thing to allow a limited number of ballots to arrive for military or absentees. But states that conduct elections primarily by mail (Oregon, Colorado) require ballots to arrive by Election Day.

That is false. Washington and Utah also vote primarily by mail and both allow ballots to be received after the election.

Washington allows ballots to be postmarked the day of the election: https://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/dates-and-deadlines.aspx

Utah allows ballots to be postmarked the day before the election, so long as they are received before noon of the day of the county canvass (generally, the day after the election but as late as ten days after the election, depending on the county). https://www.vote.org/utah/

(I have participated in election litigation in multiple states. I know more about election law than you do. You will not win this battle.)

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by bdcravens »

cozuya wrote: post #154
bdcravens wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably upset Trump supporters (if the election went the other way, it'd likely get flagged by Biden supporters) - HN is a diverse group. The HN guidelines do say politics should be considered off-topic: "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." There's a ton of duplicate (even if separate URLs) submissions.

Lets be realistic, the comment threads on this site almost always lean right.

I don't know that I'd agree, but the point is, we don't have to care. Whether the comments are left or right, we don't want HN to become a political comments free-for-all. There's plenty of places on the Internet (as in, everywhere that isn't HN) for that.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by googthrowaway42 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #167
googthrowaway42 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False. Find me the statement. All they said was that the ballots had been segregated, not that they hadn't been counted.

I don't need to prove anything, since you're the one claiming that procedures were violated despite first-hand testimony from Republican observers that procedures were not. The late-arriving ballots were both physically segregated, and counted separately from the timely ballots by separate government employees, in pairs including one Democrat and one Republican. Before numbers are reported, the numbers in each batch…

All you've said is that the "numbers" are kept separate, not that they haven't been reported in the official count.

You could very easily just show me where these two separate counts are being recorded on the PA SOS website but you cannot because it does not exist.

Why not just admit that you're wrong?

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by alangibson »

nobody9999 wrote: post #87
alangibson wrote: post #19

> Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump Not a true statement I'm afraid. Look at the number of votes he got. Trumpism isn't going away any time soon.

>> Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump >Not a true statement I'm afraid. Look at the number of votes he got. Trumpism isn't going away any time soon. Tumult(n.)[0]: "1. violent and noisy commotion or disturbance of a crowd or mob; uproar: The tumult reached its height during the premier's speech. 2. a general outbreak, riot, uprising, or other disorder: The tumult moved toward the embassy. 3. highly distressing…

Eh, I was referring to the 'ending' part not being true.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by googthrowaway42 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #132
googthrowaway42 wrote: post #107

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You're quite literally lying or severely misinformed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-D-2GOswwA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7yNZsa8x0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw

Ah, Project Veritas, an organization whose founder has been convicted of fraud and who has a history of falsying and modifying evidence. Fox News and One America refused to air these videos because they couldn't track down any of these supposed whistleblowers and in fact, Fox News said they couldn't find any proof that these supposed postal workers even exist. Also, you do know that the USPS Postmaster is a huge Trum…

> Ah, Project Veritas, an organization whose founder has been convicted of fraud and who has a history of falsying and modifying evidence.

False on both counts.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by effingwewt »

wdr1 wrote: post #170
effingwewt wrote: post #161

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Presidential election results of a major nation is extremely relevant despite being political, thus the qualifier most .

Relevant to what ?

Maybe I'm wrong here but if a there were a new Russian President of Queen or England I'd want to be informed, as we all have to interact with each other.

But again, maybe I'm wrong and it's just me. I never flag and can't downvote so maybe the people that do are correct.

edit- spelling.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by laverya »

dragonwriter wrote: post #169
laverya wrote: post #146

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Yes, Trump underperformed relative to 2016 - and yet the Republicans made gains in the House, and maintained control of the Senate. The fact that the presidential race is close enough to still be under contention days after election night should be evidence enough that there wasn't a significant blue wave!

> and maintained control of the Senate. That's kind-of true. They've definitely maintained it through the end of the Trump Administration, since when the Senate convenes it will be 48-48 with two vacancies to be settled by runoffs two days later, and Pence will still be VP. But as of January 21, the outcome of the two Georgia runoffs will decide the balance of the Senate. > The fact that the presidential race is clos…

Perhaps we're using "blue wave" differently. To me, a "blue wave" would be Biden scraping a win on election night and then solidifying it into a 338+ blowout, not "Trump wins on election night and then loses as mail-in votes are counted". Having a 50-50 Senate at best isn't exactly a "blue wave" either. (Which is what happens if the Republicans win NC and AK, but lose both the Georgia Senate seat runoffs)

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by gamblor956 »

googthrowaway42 wrote: post #173
gamblor956 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't need to prove anything, since you're the one claiming that procedures were violated despite first-hand testimony from Republican observers that procedures were not. The late-arriving ballots were both physically segregated, and counted separately from the timely ballots by separate government employees, in pairs including one Democrat and one Republican. Before numbers are reported, the numbers in each batch…

All you've said is that the "numbers" are kept separate, not that they haven't been reported in the official count. You could very easily just show me where these two separate counts are being recorded on the PA SOS website but you cannot because it does not exist. Why not just admit that you're wrong?

I literally can't do that because as a result of the court orders the PA SOS isn't allowed to report the segregated count, just like they can't report the numbers associated with other provisional ballots. They can count the ballots internally, but such numbers are segregated from the official count and get added later (if at all).

I can say that Republican observers and lawyers on the ground in PA confirm that the official numbers do not include segregated numbers. If they did, Biden's lead wouldn't even be close. They would have called PA for Biden on Wednesday.

If you choose not to believe the GOP's own observers and lawyers, that's your choice, but I'm not going to indulge in your conspiracy fantasies.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by googthrowaway42 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #178
googthrowaway42 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All you've said is that the "numbers" are kept separate, not that they haven't been reported in the official count. You could very easily just show me where these two separate counts are being recorded on the PA SOS website but you cannot because it does not exist. Why not just admit that you're wrong?

I literally can't do that because as a result of the court orders the PA SOS isn't allowed to report the segregated count , just like they can't report the numbers associated with other provisional ballots. They can count the ballots internally, but such numbers are segregated from the official count and get added later (if at all). I can say that Republican observers and lawyers on the ground in PA confirm that the…

> PA SOS isn't allowed to report the segregated count

The court order does not say that.

Why lie? Furthermore the SCOTUS order was required because the districts felt like they didn't have to comply with the state level order so even if your interpretation is correct you don't know how many of the counted ballots should have been segregated and not counted towards the official count in the first place.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by stareatgoats »

effingwewt wrote: post #176
wdr1 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relevant to what ?

Maybe I'm wrong here but if a there were a new Russian President of Queen or England I'd want to be informed, as we all have to interact with each other. But again, maybe I'm wrong and it's just me. I never flag and can't downvote so maybe the people that do are correct. edit- spelling.

> a new Russian President of Queen or England

I'd say you are wrong, yes. HN isn't supposed to be your source of news, it is supposed to be a source of interesting topics to discuss. Hence "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic" (from the guidelines).

This rule is one of the main reasons HN hasn't gone down in flame wars yet - topics like these routinely result in people losing their temper and the rational discourse goes out the window.

edit: looks like the mods decided to save one canonical thread on this subject after all (with a big plea to stay calm at the top): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25015967

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