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Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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i'm shopping for a new laptop to put this on. i'm looking for something maybe like the samsung series 9. ideally, i'd like it to be as slim as that, but have a 15" screen. anyway, looking for laptop HW recommendations from others here. i've run ubuntu on a number of thinkpads before, but i want to buy a new laptop to replace my MBP.

just ordered the samsung series 9 from costco 1549 free shipping. read some ubuntu forum pages that said natty works great on it.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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This is exactly the right direction for Ubuntu. I'm installing this remotely on my dad's computer as I type this. The shortcut keys (using the Windows-button) are very useful and the dock-like launcher is a good replacement for the old task-bar. It might take a couple more years but somehow I have the feeling that Ubuntu might be heading for the mainstream. Rightfully so.

> might be heading for the mainstream I hope so... I could easily have a dozen family members switched over in a heartbeat - if only iTunes were readily available (and not having to use vmware or such...). Sadly, until then they're S.O.L.

I hate to be 'that guy', but have you tried wine? Wine typically has very good compatibility with popular applications like iTunes.

Okay, I just checked appdb and it kinda works. (May be worth trying a prerelease of wine). Otherwise, ubuntu should have built in iPod support (I am assuming that's what you need iTunes for), and if not, I guarantee there's a way to get it working on the internet/wiki somewhere.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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As I use my Ubuntu desktop to actually get work done, I'm quite terrified about installing this release. I'm not sure I'll upgrade for a while yet, I want to find out what the general consensus is first.

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Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets go through the list: * Spotlight - OS X * Dock - NeXT * Spaces - X11 * Software Repositories - Debian [1994]

Desktop search predates OSX with Beagle (unfortunately now defunct)

The first pitch I ever heard for Beagle was 'it's like searchlight', so I always assumed it came later- but I looked it up, and it's hard to tell. inotify 0.8 was announced about a month after Steve Jobs started advertising spotlight, and Beagle grew out of Dashboard which certainly has design documents that indicate they wanted to do that. So... I think you might be right.

On a related note, are you Ubuntu's jcastro?

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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As I use my Ubuntu desktop to actually get work done, I'm quite terrified about installing this release. I'm not sure I'll upgrade for a while yet, I want to find out what the general consensus is first.

> As I use my Ubuntu desktop to actually get work done, I'm quite terrified about installing this release.

I laughed. This Apple copy-cat trend of Ubuntu seems to make things very anti-productive. If I wanted a Mac I'd go buy one, I don't want things grouped in a launcher, I want them just displayed on the toolbar like in Windows.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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Ubuntu's website shows of its Dash "Spotlight", Launcher "Dock", Status Icons "Menu bar with status", Workspace "Spaces", Ubuntu Store "Mac App Store". It's almost like they're trying to directly compete with Mac OS X, with "killer features" that match exactly with what apple regularly shows off with Mac OS X.

Don't forget moving the minimize/maximize/close buttons to the left side of the window toolbar. At least that's easy to change.

I really like Ubuntu because it comes out with an update every 6 months so users keep getting the newest software but I can't stand this flagrant Apple copy-cat ism. Is there any Debian based linux that updates reliably and has a sane UI?

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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I find the description of which image to choose confusing. You need the a 64-bit image to handle processes over 4GB, right? Why is the x86 version recommended for "most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows." (That's from the server description, too.)

Most older machines and many new machines aren't 64 bit. All 64 bit x86 machines will support a 32 bit x86 OS. Many people aren't sure about what's inside of their computer. That's why it's the default.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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When last I used the Unity shell, it was clearly not ready for prime time. I'll spend some time later today, cross my fingers, and discover if that has changed or not. There's much more in a new release than just that, but the supposedly-cleaned up Unity will probably get most of the press. Some concerns aside, I respect a lot of the chutzpah that Canonical is showing: Unity, Wayland, trying to force KDE/GNOME to wor…

Canonical have nothing to do with Wayland. Mark Shuttleworth wrote a blog post saying they wanted to use it (in a ridiculously unrealistic timeframe), but they've contributed nothing to meeting that goal.

They haven't tried to "force KDE/GNOME to work together on a notification API". They did their own thing, then later on adopted and modified a KDE protocol (which in the first place didn't even do the primary thing they were aiming for -> menus), then complained about GNOME not adopting their code (which is a separate issue to the protocol).

They're basically doing their own thing now, not paying a lot of attention (let alone contributing) to upstream projects.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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I'm not going back to linux on the desktop until it can sleep my laptop reliably. OSX is so nice for that. Just close the lid and go... I can't imagine working any other way now.

I've been able to sleep my laptop (mostly) reliably since 2006. It all depends on what hardware you have. The "mostly" is because in 2007, ATi released an update to their catalyst binary blob driver that broke sleep and hibernation. I try to steer clear of non-open source drivers now.

Arrandale chipsets (Core i5 and i7) have suspend resume issues with the intel graphics chipset. This affects systems like Dell Latitude. (https://bugs.freedesktop.org//show_bug.cgi?id=28739)

The fix is available in kernel 2.6.38 ( Ubuntu 11.04 is 2.6.37)

I run Ubuntu 10.10 with a PPA 2.6.38 kernel to get around the problem. Please note this problem is at the kernel level - going Fedora will not help.

Ubuntu is more or less the only OS I use currently - sleep/suspend/resume issues still exist. I do hope they integrate projects like TuxOnIce, etc. into the mainline - I would gladly pay couple of hundred dollars to have working sleep/resume on Ubuntu laptops. Considering that Dell, HP, Lenovo, Acer, Asus would have about 15-20 models at one time (considering the motherboard + wireless), I'm surprised there is no third party company providing supported Linux - for companies like KSplice, this could be another line of business.

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)

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It might take a couple more years but somehow I have the feeling that Ubuntu might be heading for the mainstream. Rightfully so. I'd like to think so, and they're doing a great job, but I can't help but feel they're a few years too late. I suspect general email & browsing is going to happen more and more on tablets and phones and people will only want full-blown computers to run specialized native apps, most of which…

For consumers that can afford it, tablets may replace a lot of what a desktop computer does for those people, but there are many people who are lower income who will still depend on very inexpensive desktop computers, either ones the own individually or (more likely) ones that they can access at their local library. I think Ubuntu is heading in a direction where it will replace Windows for users that only need an off…

I think it's much more likely lower income people will use a smartphone as their primary computer than a desktop machine. Cell phones already have incredible penetration, and the cell companies (not to mention Google) are going to push smartphones into that population in short order.
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