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If I was a Twitter or Facebook investor, I have one question: What did you expect was going to happen? Honestly. Did nobody have the foresight at Facebook or Twitter to think that this wouldn't blow up? Did nobody think, just once, that this might invite regulatory action or be in news headlines? And if honestly nobody thought this might happen, I'd want the entire management and "safety" team replaced for having no…

Also in this category of "did you actually think this through":

Andy Stone, of the Facebook communications department, calling for fact checks while gloating about reducing its circulation.

https://twitter.com/andymstone/status/1316395902479872000

(n.b. "gloating" is interpretation — if it is not the case that this is gloating then a key problem is that this tweet leaves itself very open to this interpretation.)

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a newspaper collaborating with the president's personal lawyer, who is already the subject of investigations into persons in violation of the Foreign Agent Registration Act, during the run up to an incredibly contentious election after these networks - Facebook and Twitter- have already been accused of allowing rampant disinformation campaigns. If they had reason to believe that the information was part of a mal…

Is that Cohen when you say Trump’s lawyer? Do you have a source for that out of interest? It smells a bit like that National Review article Cohen planted about Cruz’s dad killing JFK or something in 2016.

I'm referring to Giuliani, who is the New York Post's source for these alleged emails and photos, acting as a supposed intermediary for a repair shop employee. Giuliani has been tasked for two years with digging up dirt on Biden, and every single story he has pushed has in my view, been outright fabricated agenda pushing based on narratives spun by dubious third parties.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

#173

If I was a Twitter or Facebook investor, I have one question: What did you expect was going to happen? Honestly. Did nobody have the foresight at Facebook or Twitter to think that this wouldn't blow up? Did nobody think, just once, that this might invite regulatory action or be in news headlines? And if honestly nobody thought this might happen, I'd want the entire management and "safety" team replaced for having no…

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Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

#174

If I was a Twitter or Facebook investor, I have one question: What did you expect was going to happen? Honestly. Did nobody have the foresight at Facebook or Twitter to think that this wouldn't blow up? Did nobody think, just once, that this might invite regulatory action or be in news headlines? And if honestly nobody thought this might happen, I'd want the entire management and "safety" team replaced for having no…

They probably have been doing this for a while, and this was just the first time they got called out for it. Regulatory action has been in the works for some time. Whether or not it goes through depends only on politics. The mainstream media already doesn't like them for eating their lunch. Twitter has nothing to lose by doing this. It will damage Facebook's brand identity as being a "free speech" platform, but that'…

Yeah, remember when they didn’t let anything about Wikileaks get shared on their platforms?

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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It's different because it was written by a major American newspaper. Twitter should not be exercising editorial control over the news.

The New York Post is not a serious newspaper; it is a sensationalist tabloid. Sometimes the NYPost will report on real news, but I believe absolutely nothing they report until it is verified by the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, or other major broadcast outlet with actual journalistic standards.

Im genuinely curious what journalistic standards you think these mainstream outlets possess after all the Russia nonsense. Can you point to an example of any recent story where these outlets have displayed "actual journalistic standards"?

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Robert Graham [1] pointed out that if the emails are authentic, they can be trivially verified via DKIM. That the email metadata was not released implies the emails are either inauthentic, or that the post did not contact someone with basic competence in computer forensics. Either possibility seriously undercuts the article's credibility. [1] https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/1316407424648179717

it's honestly irrelevant about the credibility of the emails and other data at this point, its the blanket censorship of this article that's now the real story.

But what should be done about tech enabling the spread of false information?

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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The just consequence should be that they should be considered publishers, rather than the republishers. And thus lose their 230 protection from civil litigation.

Isn’t the entire point of 230 to allow platforms to be moderated without being treated as publishers?

No, the original point of 230 was to allow platforms to republish user content without bearing civil liability for such content.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Isn't the likeliest explanation that 1) random Ukrainian energy company paid Hunter Biden for access to Joe Biden, and 2) the payments were not useful in actually getting access to Joe Biden? "Thousands of dollars a month" doesn't seem like "get close to a former VP/future presidential candidate" money. (Of course, this explanation isn't exactly a good look either, but at this point it's a choice between imperfection…

Do companies pay princelings large sums of money without getting anything in return? I believe it's usually understood that they get something in return, even if that something is just not getting into trouble (as is the way in China, if you want no road blocks in your enterprise, you better hire some high official's kid).

Trying it and having it be successful in obtaining the desired access are very different things, though.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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post #143

If I was a Twitter or Facebook investor, I have one question: What did you expect was going to happen? Honestly. Did nobody have the foresight at Facebook or Twitter to think that this wouldn't blow up? Did nobody think, just once, that this might invite regulatory action or be in news headlines? And if honestly nobody thought this might happen, I'd want the entire management and "safety" team replaced for having no…

The just consequence should be that they should be considered publishers, rather than the republishers. And thus lose their 230 protection from civil litigation.

Its not even enough. Big tech is too dangerous to not regulate. When they literally decide if politicians get elected or not by controlling what the voters see, weve crossed the line.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

#180

Facebook is NOT blocking the Post from posting. They are limiting sharing. This headline is a good example of way it may have been the right move. Misinformation spreads fast.

HN is full of unwitting Trump/conspiracy theory enablers with their high-minded bottomless "benefit of the doubt" schtick.

yesss please tell me what to believe twitter
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