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Dear Dr. Stallman: An Open Letter

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Re: Dear Dr. Stallman: An Open Letter

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post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your first point, however: > 2) rms is a practical guy. stop acting like he's a mad man who knows nothing. He started GNU, wrote emacs, glibc, gcc and probably others. He created the concept of free software and wrote a license as good as GPL to defend it. He created the concept of 'Free' (note the capital F) software as his definition of free. People were sharing source code beforehand. The source to Un…

I think the meaning of point three was a bit lost in the grammar. Yes, RMS has (very clearly) stated that the only software a person should use is software that is free. However, I think emilsedgh's point is that RMS _first_ wants people to value freedom, and use only free software as a result - as opposed to using free software because, for instance, it is (generally) cheap.

I can only speak of personal experience (and having spent time with RMS twice in total, several years apart that's not a lot).

My experience of him was that publicly he wants people to value free software, but it's a means to an end. I don't actually have a problem with about 60% of what he has to say on the matter. Open source software fuels innovation and as long as people can still fund further innovation I'm happy with that. However, what I object to is the idea that only FSF-papal-blessed software constitutes free software. If I want to release my software under a BSD licence, it's not free software because RMS doesn't think it is. That's my problem with him, at least professionally speaking. On a personal note I don't think we'd get along - primarily because (and credit to him) that entire argument is pretty much his life (as far as anyone can say from meeting him twice).

Now I could be completely wrong about all of this, and maybe RMS is a pragmatic standup guy and I just got the wrong impression, but even Theo De Raadt had a sense of humour.

Re: Dear Dr. Stallman: An Open Letter

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post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, if he believes that 'proofs are lacking on both sides' then I've just lost quite a significant amount of respect for the man. If the 'truthers' are correct then many hundreds, if not thousands, of people decided to conspire to murder thousands of innocent civilians and, somehow, managed to prevent any leaking of this whatsoever. On this basis alone, the idea that 9/11 was a conspiracy is insane, before…

OK, hundreds would be impossible and silly, but why would it take hundreds? Suppose Cheney decided by himself to let the attacks happen, could he have, without anyone catching on? If not he alone, who else would be needed? No more than five surely. Discounting a conspiracy as impossible is just as silly as arguing a conspiracy of hundreds. Improbable, yes, impossible, no.

Suppose Cheney decided by himself to let the attacks happen, could he have, without anyone catching on? If not he alone, who else would be needed? No more than five surely.

No, because the people at the top are not the ones who do the work. They set policy, and sometimes directly tell people what to do - but, more often, they tell people who then tell other people what to do. If a conspiracy is going to involve the top of the chain - and it should be pointed out that the VP is technically not in the chain of command - then it's going to involved dozens, if not hundreds of others if the conspiracy is actually going to do something effective. And in that case, there will be enough written down that eventually it will out. See, for example, the Iran-Contra affair.

An excellent account of both what the critical points for intervention were, and what happened on the day is "The Ground Truth": http://www.amazon.com/Ground-Truth-Untold-America-Attack/dp/... The title has unfortunate "truther" connotations, but it comes from a term the aviation industry uses to establish what happened after a crash. They use first-hand material and evidence to establish the "ground truth" of the crash, and from there try to extract lessons. The author does exactly that, using primary sources exclusively - such as recorded conversations between air controllers - to determine the sequence of events.

Re: Dear Dr. Stallman: An Open Letter

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post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, if he believes that 'proofs are lacking on both sides' then I've just lost quite a significant amount of respect for the man. If the 'truthers' are correct then many hundreds, if not thousands, of people decided to conspire to murder thousands of innocent civilians and, somehow, managed to prevent any leaking of this whatsoever. On this basis alone, the idea that 9/11 was a conspiracy is insane, before…

OK, hundreds would be impossible and silly, but why would it take hundreds? Suppose Cheney decided by himself to let the attacks happen, could he have, without anyone catching on? If not he alone, who else would be needed? No more than five surely. Discounting a conspiracy as impossible is just as silly as arguing a conspiracy of hundreds. Improbable, yes, impossible, no.

It seems to me that you're conflating two assertions: 1) the original, "the US was behind the 9/11 attacks", and 2) your offered alternative, "the VP and a handful of others had specific, actionable information on al Qaeda's attack and did nothing to stop it". The two are not the same, and the preceding comments were made regarding the first.

In either case discounting a conspiracy as impossible isn't silly if there's no evidence of said conspiracy nor even a plausible hypothesis of how such a conspiracy could have worked. The onus of proof is on those proposing a conspiracy, not on everyone else to prove a conspiracy didn't occur.

Re: Dear Dr. Stallman: An Open Letter

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    today's proprietary stuff isn't marijuana; 
    it's heroin, and it's really, really good
I beg to differ -- today's proprietary software is exactly like marijuana.

When it comes to freedom, there's is no black & white classification, only shades of gray. And the whitest of them all are the BSD-like licenses, which are frowned upon by the FSF.

And the reason I think proprietary software is like marijuana is because you CAN be careful when using it, you can also take it in small dosages where it makes sense, you're only required to use it responsibly to not end up hooked with freedoms lost.

And of course, for some people marijuana usage turns into heroin -- but everybody fears heroin and heroin comes with a heafty price for the junkies, which isn't that good in the eyes of consumers (best things in life tend to be cheap ;))

Also, leaving this analogy behind -- let's take as example GIMP.

Gimp is awesome for what it does and I actually think its grotesque interface is the reason why I ended up working with masks, really groking effects like smart-sharpening.

But if you're deep into photography, using Gimp is unacceptable. First, it has serious limitations like 8-bits per color (which means you're losing color info, when importing from RAW formats, or when composing layers -- and as a practical consequence, correcting over/under-exposed photos becomes a nightmare). CMYK support is hackish at best, and photographers (professional or passionate amateurs) do print their photos (whether it's for selling, or for doing exhibits). Then, while the UI forces you to learn about the inner-workings of digital image processing, it becomes a pain in the ass to quickly retouch hundreds of photos (unless you can do them as a batch, with some scripting, but since every photo is unique, no, you can't).

So comparing a product like Adobe Photoshop, which provides real/measurable value to photographers, with a drug that you can get rid of -- that's stretching it a lot. I also view a product like Photoshop as something that gives you more freedom for expression -- also saving you bucks which you'd spend otherwise on extremely high-priced gear.

Re: Dear Dr. Stallman: An Open Letter

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A few points i would like to remind everyone who criticizes rms. 1) rms is a radical guy. You cannot change that. He fights for what he thinks is right. He is not the kind of person you can ask to censor himself. If he thinks u.s goverment is to blame for 9/11, no matter how saying it in a lecture seems childish, he will say it. If you invite rms for a lecture, he is coming with his radicalism. That is to be expected…

On RMS and Steve Jobs, I once suggested Ryan Tate to forward this series of emails to Steve Jobs: http://gawker.com/#!5539717/steve-jobs-offers-world-freedom-...

Re: Dear Dr. Stallman: An Open Letter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If he thinks u.s goverment is to blame for 9/11, no matter how saying it in a lecture seems childish, he will say it. By the way he doesn't believe that. Last time I read about his opinion on the subject he said that proofs were lacking on both sides (truther and non-truther) but that it was probably the work of religious fundamentalists (either christians or muslims).

To be honest, if he believes that 'proofs are lacking on both sides' then I've just lost quite a significant amount of respect for the man. If the 'truthers' are correct then many hundreds, if not thousands, of people decided to conspire to murder thousands of innocent civilians and, somehow, managed to prevent any leaking of this whatsoever. On this basis alone, the idea that 9/11 was a conspiracy is insane, before…

if we're talking about the murder of thousands of innocent people, investigating about this thing matters all the more.. just because it's not likely, doesn't mean it's impossible.. 'proofs are lacking on both sides' isn't conclusive to rule out that possibility..

saw an interesting documentary about this 9/11 stuff from zeitgeist: 4 videos in youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECMJ2LBK90Q&feature=relat... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSW1x_h4Kfo&feature=relat... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeSDOb7NcgE&feature=relat...

Re: Dear Dr. Stallman: An Open Letter

#177
Isn't marginalization the whole point of FSF? They want to attract people committed to free software not appeal to popular culture. Dressing RMS up and giving him public speaking lessons will not change the ideology. His image as it stands is consistent with his image, the complete opposite of Steve Jobs.

Re: Dear Dr. Stallman: An Open Letter

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A few points i would like to remind everyone who criticizes rms. 1) rms is a radical guy. You cannot change that. He fights for what he thinks is right. He is not the kind of person you can ask to censor himself. If he thinks u.s goverment is to blame for 9/11, no matter how saying it in a lecture seems childish, he will say it. If you invite rms for a lecture, he is coming with his radicalism. That is to be expected…

I was with you until you said he's a "practical guy".

He's not. No radical people are practical, it goes with the job of being radical.

rms wants you to write code for free, give it away for free and never ask for any money if anyone uses it. It's anything but practical. It's not even realistic.

He was lucky to be at the right place and the right time where this kind of delusional ideology could actually work (because nobody had this idea before him). Good for him, and he's reaping the benefit of getting there first (basically living off speaker fees). But he totally fails to realize that nobody else can do this.

I respect what he did for the software industry, but personally, I think he's a lunatic, a bit like your crazy grandpa that you quietly wheel over in the kitchen when there are guests so he doesn't make them run away.

Re: Dear Dr. Stallman: An Open Letter

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post #56

I pretty much agreed with everything except the ridiculous idea that Stallman should try out Google Docs so he could see how "good" it is.

I don't understand your objection. It is an amazingly simple tool for collaborative editing and I don't know of any free software alternatives that are as easily usable.

I don't doubt it, but if you think Stallman is interested in a product because it's "better" than another product then you really don't know what Stallman's values are at all. Stallman's not objecting to it on the grounds of it being poor software, nor is he making the claim that it is poor software.

If someone's on a diet and refuses to eat chocolate because that would be against the point of the diet, countering with "I think you should try it---it tastes so good" completely misses the point.

Re: Dear Dr. Stallman: An Open Letter

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A few points i would like to remind everyone who criticizes rms. 1) rms is a radical guy. You cannot change that. He fights for what he thinks is right. He is not the kind of person you can ask to censor himself. If he thinks u.s goverment is to blame for 9/11, no matter how saying it in a lecture seems childish, he will say it. If you invite rms for a lecture, he is coming with his radicalism. That is to be expected…

I was with you until you said he's a "practical guy". He's not. No radical people are practical, it goes with the job of being radical. rms wants you to write code for free, give it away for free and never ask for any money if anyone uses it. It's anything but practical. It's not even realistic. He was lucky to be at the right place and the right time where this kind of delusional ideology could actually work (becaus…

rms wants you to write code for free, give it away for free and never ask for any money if anyone uses it.

Given that Stallman used to charge $200 for tapes of Emacs, I gotta wonder how you come to this conclusion.

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