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Adults with ADHD show decreased function in brain dopamine reward pathway (2010)

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Biggest issue for me is palpitations on adderall. Withdrawal gives me annoying palpitations and I get them sometimes while taking it. It’s very annoying when I want to take the weekend off and have to suffer through massive withdrawal. Honestly has changed my life for the better overall, but if anyone has any suggestions for trying to get rid of palpitations, it would be very much appreciated.

I had the same issue.

I’ve switched to Vyvanse and have been loving it. The on and off ramps are much longer so everything feels a bit more smooth than Adderall ever did.

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I'm an ADD adult and this especially hits me when I'm participating competitions, be it leetcode coding competition or examination. I just hate to do it and every other bits of attention source will got me seeked on, like a notification from my phone, or someone dropped a pen to the ground. That's how fast I lost focus. But on the other hand sometimes I can be extra-focused, with a prerequisite it's something I enjoy…

> The only thing I had to deal with it slightly is my Ritalin...only so slightly I can "normally" focus for an hour. I just hope things go right in the rest of my life. Talk to your doctor, there have been many advances in ADHD meds and they all work differently on different people. Some people respond well to Ritalin, Some respond well to the generic. Some respond well the Adderal, or Vyvanse. For some people only t…

> there have been many advances in ADHD meds

respectfully, I disagree with this. The last new therapy was atomoxetine, which is almost 20 years old now and not seen as terribly efficacious.

Everything else new has been some variation on mixed dextroamphetamine/amphetamine salts or methylphenidate. Vyvanse is just a pro-drug for dextroamphetamine.

The only novel thing in the pipeline is SPN-812, which may work similar to atomoxetine.

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This was an interesting read but, as an adult with ADHD, all I get out of this is that medication is even more of a benefit to those with real difficulties coping with their ADHD. I've always been one to 'just deal with it' but after a few years of working through school and seeing my younger brothers go through the same thing with medication, I realized that I was essentially just handicapping myself. Now I take med…

As someone with ADHD I was once prescribed the lowest dose of adderall (5 mg?) and I found it was so much like being high it genuinely scared me I was working from home and the second it kicked in I started getting literal chills down my spine. I ended up messaging a bunch of people on Facebook I haven’t talked to in years but felt a sudden affinity and empathy for. I got distracted by a part of my apartment that I h…

I used Adderall everyday for a year, and I would generally recommend people stay away from it if they can unless you have extreme ADD/ADHD. I know that a lot of people are saying that it changed their lives and in fact, it helped me to understand how far I could push my mind and body to its productivity limits, which helps me be productive today. However, as mentioned in some of the other comments, it makes you angry and I have lost many friends and closed many doors socially. I also would not say that I was actually more purposeful in my daily activities. Meaning, I may have been able to produce more mental and physical output but like you mention, I would fixate on lots of unnecessary things that ultimately put me behind in what I wanted to accomplish over the course of a year or even who I wanted to be as a person.

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I've been on Adderall for 5 years ... I'm 43 right now. It really HAS changed my life. What I've found is that over the long term you're able to perform much much better. By the time I was in my 30s I had developed coping skills which worked for the most part but I would find myself getting demotivated and defocused sometimes on long term priorities and sometimes unable to recommit to them. Adderall totally changed t…

You know what's totally nuts? Taking Amphetamine daily for years in reasonable doses essentially has no long term negative effects. In that way, similar to coffee. When I think about that, it's kind of mind blowing. For that matter, it is also crazy that we don't start giving children coffee at younger ages to help focus — since there are no known negative effects. It's just a cultural trope that it stunts growth, et…

I drank coffee for several years (around 4 cups a day, not later than 4pm) and suffered from insomnia and didn’t know the origin. Since I stopped caffeine intake, my insomnia is basically gone and I feel a lot more functional because of better sleep.

So my impression (yeah I have to admit it’s a study of size 1) is rather that caffeine is more dangerous than I thought.

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> Dynamic scans were started immediately after injection of 4-10 mCi of [11C]raclopride (specific activity 0.5-1.5 Ci/μM at end of bombardment) and after injection of 4-8 mCi of [11C]cocaine (specific activity > 0. 53 Ci/μmol at end of bombardment) and were obtained for a total of 60 minutes as described (12) They injected humans with cocaine for this study, am I reading that right?

Cocaine and meth are actually schedule 2 drugs unlike marijuana. It is surprising that they used Cocaine instead of a more common stimulant like Adderall or something.

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> One side effect of Adderall though is ED, and it's pretty bad. I guess it depends on the person, but for me, the ED was quite bad. The ED does go away after getting off of it. The drugs for that are very easy to get these days - you can get a prescription online by taking a survey and the pills will be mailed to you without ever talking to a human.

They are also ridiculously expensive.

The big popular ones that advertise (Hims and Roman) are very overpriced. I found Blink Health sells a generic version for much cheaper ($2 a pill).

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I've been on Adderall for 5 years ... I'm 43 right now. It really HAS changed my life. What I've found is that over the long term you're able to perform much much better. By the time I was in my 30s I had developed coping skills which worked for the most part but I would find myself getting demotivated and defocused sometimes on long term priorities and sometimes unable to recommit to them. Adderall totally changed t…

I literally just got diagnosed with adult ADD a month ago. I'm 46! It... explains a lot of things, both for better and for worse. I never even realized I was developing coping skills vs. just developing normal skills, if that makes sense. I definitely have had the same types of problems as you describe. I've been on Ritalin for a few weeks now, and the difference is remarkable. If this is how normal people feel most…

I'm a little bit younger, and pretty much the same on all of this (except vyvanse for me). I really wish I'd figured it out in my teens or twenties.

Also, every time a post on here comes up about elaborate methods of achieving focus the comments are full of people typical-minding what really might actually be ADHD (the whole "everyone is like this right?" thing) and I'm just sitting there like.. maybe you should look into this it probably shouldn't be that hard.

Of course if you post that you get a bunch of replies from people who insist that, "no, actually, it's cell phones' fault" or that it's totally normal to absolutely loathe doing any mundane task.

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> The only thing I had to deal with it slightly is my Ritalin...only so slightly I can "normally" focus for an hour. I just hope things go right in the rest of my life. Talk to your doctor, there have been many advances in ADHD meds and they all work differently on different people. Some people respond well to Ritalin, Some respond well to the generic. Some respond well the Adderal, or Vyvanse. For some people only t…

> there have been many advances in ADHD meds respectfully, I disagree with this. The last new therapy was atomoxetine, which is almost 20 years old now and not seen as terribly efficacious. Everything else new has been some variation on mixed dextroamphetamine/amphetamine salts or methylphenidate. Vyvanse is just a pro-drug for dextroamphetamine. The only novel thing in the pipeline is SPN-812, which may work similar…

New formulations are advances. I'm on Vyvanse and it has way fewer side effects than other amphetamine formulations. I could see someone deciding meds are not for them based on side effects or short duration and the come-down lows, and then have those go away entirely by taking Vyvanse.

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> The only thing I had to deal with it slightly is my Ritalin...only so slightly I can "normally" focus for an hour. I just hope things go right in the rest of my life. Talk to your doctor, there have been many advances in ADHD meds and they all work differently on different people. Some people respond well to Ritalin, Some respond well to the generic. Some respond well the Adderal, or Vyvanse. For some people only t…

> there have been many advances in ADHD meds respectfully, I disagree with this. The last new therapy was atomoxetine, which is almost 20 years old now and not seen as terribly efficacious. Everything else new has been some variation on mixed dextroamphetamine/amphetamine salts or methylphenidate. Vyvanse is just a pro-drug for dextroamphetamine. The only novel thing in the pipeline is SPN-812, which may work similar…

Lisdexamfetamine is profoundly different than other variants of amphetamine in utility and experience. It’s not just a prodrug – it has a rather clever molecular time-release mechanism. It comes in very slowly over a period of two hours, with plasma concentration plateau of two more. This makes a big difference; I experience no cravings or drug-seeking for more of the drug at any point. It’s also less of a “jolt”; The slow, steady increase in effect is much more conductive to steady yet limber focus. It’s just incredibly functional medicine. Also, the description of a 14-hour effective duration is accurate in my experience.

It’s definitely a relatively new development and a much more humanely effective drug than previous options.

— It is dextroamphetamine, which I’m inclined to believe is the more useful handedness. Levoamphetamine has more “body” effects. To the dextroamphetamine is bound a lysine molecule, and this together is an inactive powder. Enzymes in red blood cells are needed to cleave the lysine off and activate the dextroamphetamine. I’m quite certain that the dopamine rate-of-change detection mechanisms in the central nervous system cause very different behavioral and cognitive pattern cascades when it’s an almost imperceptively slow change, compared to an unhindered uptake of free amphetamine. Compare the difference in addiction potentials between faster and slower routes of administration of, say, nicotine - smoking fast, patches slow.

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