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Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by Nextgrid »

mrweasel wrote: post #127
ksec wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple needs to make a TV set. Only then will the marketing message for TV privacy gets pushed through. But from another angle, I think majority of population would not mind targeted advertising if that means their TV are much cheaper. If we think about it, it is kind of ridiculously cheap you can get a 4K 40" LCD TV delivered to you for under $300.

I don’t think it would matter if Apple made a TV. It has made little difference for phones and computers. No one else cares and Apple just get blamed for reserving privacy for the wealthy.

> Apple just get blamed for reserving privacy for the wealthy

Isn't this the market working as intended? Apple is charging more because they want $$$ but decided to obtain that $$$ in a privacy-respectful manner.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by RealStickman_ »

beagle3 wrote: post #137
buro9 wrote: post #72

If you don't like this: 1) Buy an Nvidia Shield, Google Chromecast, or Apple TV 2) Connect that to your TV 3) Factory reset your TV and never connect it to the internet again

This is a temporary measure. Soon enough, they will have 5G or 6G modems inside, a special arrangement with carriers (a la Amazon’s whispernet), and You would have to wrap it in tinfoil to stop it from reporting on your viewing habits and showing you ads.

At that point maybe it would be lucrative for people handy with the soldering iron to remove those modems and resell the TV.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by ReactiveJelly »

stallmanite wrote: post #160
troydavis wrote: post #34

If you own an Internet-connected TV, you've been seeing these for 2 years or more. I submitted it 11 months ago ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21427405 ) and it wasn't new then. The ACR-based retargeting audiences ( https://www.samsung.com/us/business/samsungads/resources/tv-... ) are probably the most offensive. For example: "Reach viewers who saw your competitor’s ads as quickly as 60 seconds after linear a…

So if I’m using a Samsung TV as a monitor and working on sensitive or classified material the damn thing is taking screenshots and uploading them? Yikes

If the user doesn't control the software, the software controls the user. Don't give them network access.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by karolist »

dr_zoidberg wrote: post #129
junon wrote: post #27

I had one of those TVs. The ads show up in the menu bar. I called them and told them I paid over a thousand dollars for this TV and do not want ads. They said they'd be happy to help me disable my internet connection. I was so dumbfounded at the petty response that I simply hung up. Lost a customer for life. I will never again buy a Samsung product.

Last TV I bought the salesperson wanted to push a Samsung TV on me, despite my very clear telling of "I dislike samsung". Guy insisted over and over and over. Ended up in the store opposite the mall, where Good Salesman approaches as I walk in: -I want a new TV. -I have this great Samsung model. -I hate Samsung. -I have this great LG model! Funny thing, the that TV came with webOS, which after being bought and sold o…

LG makes great TVs, they were one of the last manufacturers to stop doing plasma. My 2015 50" (50PN5300) 1080p plasma screen is only rivaled by new OLEDs, doubles as a space heater in winter time :) This one still has their old Netcast OS.

The newer webOs models with magic remote that you can use as a pointer are super nice too, but admittedly my 43UJ701V sometimes does reboot it self, the old Netcast plasma is rock solid.

I landed on LG because my requirements were "no Android" and "I hate Samsung", LG are the only ones left pretty much.

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Post by donmcronald »

secondcoming wrote: post #82
colejohnson66 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a TCL Roku TV and thankfully the only ads are on the home screen where you select the input or app.[a] I can’t imagine watching video from an input and the TV deciding I want an ad on top of my movie. [a] I don’t delude myself into thinking this won’t change, but so far, I can just tune out (no pun intended) the ad on the side. Not to mention that the ads are of shows and movies, not products (which would be…

There are specs for in-stream video advertising [0], as in, the provider injects a 'commercial break' into whatever you're streaming. These cannot be ad-blocked. [0] https://www.spotx.tv/resources/blog/spotxer/server-side-ad-i...

> It provides users with an optimal, broadcast-like viewing experience that often provides high-quality video and ad creatives.

Optimal? Lmao. This is the point where I’d be willing to pay for pirated content.

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

RealStickman_ wrote: post #165
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #144

Samsung M series phones from India are essentially subsidized for Ads, they have all major International data hoarder apps, Indian equivalents and their Samsung equivalents. Apps from Samsung's app store masquerades like security updates and constantly prompts to install. I made the mistake of buying them for my parents, even though they use their phone just for WhatsApp like most Indian parents, each of their phones…

Did you check if lineageos available for those devices?

There could be, but as I mentioned WhatsApp is important for them and AFAIK WhatsApp updates are finicky with 3rd party ROMs as they explicitly detect them and ofcourse Playstore itself is not straightforward.

Besides, Suprisingly Samsung pushes almost regular monthly android security updates for these devices.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by 3guk »

For those who use piHole or other network wide ad blocking, I've compiled a list of servers to block: https://factory-reset.com/wiki/Samsung_Telemetry_Servers

Typically I would suggest not connecting your TV to any sort of internet connection - firmware updates don't typically tend to add or fix much on these devices. If you really have an issue, update the firmware, factory reset and then disable wifi / unplug ethernet.

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Post by foepys »

mancerayder wrote: post #126

Samsung owner here. I use an Apple TV so I don't have to use the smart features of the TV and see ads, which I find offensive. But I'd rather reward a competitor for my next TV. Which brands don't do this?

Sadly, all major brands seem to do this, even with their highest class TVs. Sony was the last bastion but recently Google pushed an Android TV update and now it also has ads on the home screen.

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Post by stevewodil »

beagle3 wrote: post #140
stevewodil wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's probably a market, but the question is how big? TV's have gotten so cheap because of the ads and data mining, so a TV that doesn't have that would be considerably more expensive. People on HN might spend more for some privacy, but most average consumers definitely wouldn't. I almost would like to see Apple release a television that has tvOS built in.

Thats unlikely to be true. Computer screens if comparable sizes (the ones that exist) have dipped in price in the same way, despite having no ads or apps or anything. The prices are down because of process improvements and competition. Ads can make a $10-30 difference in final price.

Do you have a source for ads accounting for $10-30 of the final price? I'd be curious to learn more about this.
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