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Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Post by ravibhatt »

john4532452 wrote: post #147
ravibhatt wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to know more about the natives it seems; where are you quoting this from? "Indian nationalism is all about bringing back the "varna system" " ---- You have done a Phd in the subject-- any links?

I assume you are probably an NRI. This is well know to natives. Most of the BJP leaders are former RSS members including modi. Source https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29593336 RSS ideology is to make india a hindu religous state. Hinduism is based on the vedic books which advocate varna system.

Amazing to see an authentic source like the BBC! It is the same publication that cannot complete any ISRO/Science related article without highlighting first how poor india is!

So, if your source about RSS is BBC then good luck about having a non-biased conversation. You are part of the cliched narrative builders.

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Post by arjun1296 »

malware7 wrote: post #136
throwaway4good wrote: post #129

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About 10% of India's population is muslim however in Kashmir they are a majority which I think is more or less the root cause of the Kashmir conflict.

I wonder how did muslims became majority in kashmir? Do you know? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus Now that the these refugees are coming back o their motherland, propagandists are busy labelling it as hindu occupation and minority oppression.

Globally, Hindus are a minority. So whether its a liberal or conservative foreigner(Christian or Muslim), to them Muslims are usually a minority.

And foreigners are easily susceptible to believe the claims of Muslims being a minority without even checking the realities.

Tthey almost always fail to understand that it is Hindus who is the real minority in Jammu and Kashmir.

Morevoer, Christians and Muslims are of Abhrahamic origins and their morality is skewed in favor of their version of worship and social norms.

Idol-worshippers like Hindus are considered beastly and low-life. So don't expect foreigners to accept what Hindus says as our moralities are going to cut through their doctrinal abhrahamic morality though they are separate religions.

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Post by oa335 »

malware7 wrote: post #136
throwaway4good wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About 10% of India's population is muslim however in Kashmir they are a majority which I think is more or less the root cause of the Kashmir conflict.

I wonder how did muslims became majority in kashmir? Do you know? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus Now that the these refugees are coming back o their motherland, propagandists are busy labelling it as hindu occupation and minority oppression.

What about the refugees from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres ?

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Post by djsumdog »

doomslice wrote: post #131
djsumdog wrote: post #104

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> protestors and dissenters There are massacres going on it seems. In America we are seeing rioters constantly classified by the media as protestors. If a group is literally slaughtering the other group, protestor seems like the wrong word.

> In America we are seeing rioters constantly classified by the media as protestors. Could you show me some instances of this? I've heard this repeated but I haven't actually seen it myself.

I made this video on CHAZ:

https://battlepenguin.video/videos/watch/9f81cd38-3ee9-4f26-...

Here are some of the rioters in Portland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zthJUf31MA

Here are some peaceful protestors trying to break into a Federal Courthouse in Portland using a circular saw:

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1286915433828724736

Portland rioters were also disguising themselves as press:

https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1286944321107763200

Donut does a good job of documenting the riots in Portland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHb3xVqxcp8

The fact that you've heard this and haven't seen it, shows just how terrible, corrupt and useless the American media is. Our media is only pushing hate:

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/130029089792245350...

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Post by srean »

arjun1296 wrote: post #124
xrisk wrote: post #75

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I meant that all the evidence was circumstantial, which was admitted by even the court.

What do you mean by circumstantial? He was a trained militant that dropped out of medical college who went to Pakistan for militancy training to wage ware against the sovereign state of India. He had knowledge of the criminal conspiracy and arranged logistical support to terrorists. I don't think he was innocent. But I don't think he deserved capital punishment. The likes of Amnesty International was involved in pros…

He was pretty much made a scapegoat.

Yes he was a terrorist but a repatriated one. India had a policy of bringing youth who have gone the terrorism way, served their sentence et be brought back into the folds of civil political society. Afzal Guru was such a case. Also as mentioned by police high ups who oversaw his case he was a pushover (actual words used "bhondu"). This all turned very convenient for the administration that was under pressure to show progress on the investigation.

The circumstantial evidence found on him related to the parliament attack are of such nature that could easily have been planted by the police (specific example, a scarp of paper with the terrorist handlers phone number found on his person).

Planting of evidence is quite common and rote in India. Judges with a spine discount those. In this case the justice bench didn't -- because the theatre was too important compared to a pushover reformed erstwhile terrorist.

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Post by chance_state »

johnnydoe9 wrote: post #16
quirmian wrote: post #12

The slow judicial system is the biggest weapon that the government and other large entities with money have. Not everyone can afford to put their lives on hold for 3 years while a court case slowly winds its way up to a judge.

Toyota recently pulled out of the country due to ineffective bureaucracy and that's when they're pushing for more manufacturing. In cases like these there's no way for them to fight if they're against you.

(for manufacturers)

"In China they roll out the red carpet, in India they roll out the red tape."

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Post by ravibhatt »

ravibhatt wrote: post #123
mmrezaie wrote: post #108

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In your provided link it points to Sweden as one of the best prepared countries for COVID. I am Swedish citizen. I am actually quiet surprised since it is still hard to get tested and test results take longer than two days (mine was a week but it was private and two months ago). Sweden in general is handling it well, but it would take a long time to understand who handled covid better.

The point is not about covid per se. The point is veracity of the institution that are cited all over the globe and orgs like amnesty. These are created, based and are funded by western govts and people -- their point of view is already biased and often times willfully. To highlight the point I used pandemic preparedness. Some one in his/her infinite wisdom comes up with an index with 10 parameters and then publishes…

Down voting comments by people with higher karma without any contributions --- is how the hypocrites work. If you do not agree with someone - use your power and down vote! That is how entire western worlds has worked for last 200 or more years!

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Post by Chris2048 »

arjun1296 wrote: post #172
malware7 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how did muslims became majority in kashmir? Do you know? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus Now that the these refugees are coming back o their motherland, propagandists are busy labelling it as hindu occupation and minority oppression.

Globally, Hindus are a minority. So whether its a liberal or conservative foreigner(Christian or Muslim), to them Muslims are usually a minority. And foreigners are easily susceptible to believe the claims of Muslims being a minority without even checking the realities. Tthey almost always fail to understand that it is Hindus who is the real minority in Jammu and Kashmir. Morevoer, Christians and Muslims are of Abhra…

> Idol-worshippers like Hindus are considered beastly and low-life. So don't expect foreigners..

How do you "check the realities" on these claims about foreigners?

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Post by manishsharan »

john4532452 wrote: post #141
malware7 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any source on the motives of Indian nationalism for the "strict implementation" of varna system?

Most of the BJP leaders are former RSS members including modi. Source https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29593336 RSS ideology is to make india a hindu religous state. Hinduism is based on the vedic books which advocate varna system.

> Hinduism is based on the vedic books which advocate varna system

You are wrong. The Vedas have nothing to do with the varna (caste) system. The caste system came much later and they have nothing to do with the foundations of Hinduism. There are several sects of Hinduism which explicitly reject the caste system. Look up Arya Samaj etc.

I have a feeling have I wasted my time in engaging with facts for someone whose mind is already made up about my faith.

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Post by srean »

ravibhatt wrote: post #171
john4532452 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you are probably an NRI. This is well know to natives. Most of the BJP leaders are former RSS members including modi. Source https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29593336 RSS ideology is to make india a hindu religous state. Hinduism is based on the vedic books which advocate varna system.

Amazing to see an authentic source like the BBC! It is the same publication that cannot complete any ISRO/Science related article without highlighting first how poor india is! So, if your source about RSS is BBC then good luck about having a non-biased conversation. You are part of the cliched narrative builders.

> It is the same publication that cannot complete any ISRO/Science related article without highlighting first how poor india is!

That's ad hominem. If you have a specific point mention that. If the only document you will accept is from RSS mouthpieces then there is no point in the conversation.

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