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On not choosing WordPress for the W3C redesign project

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Re: On not choosing WordPress for the W3C redesign project

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Wix, Weebly, Squarespace and Webflow all do this better than WordPress now.

Are those alternatives free or self-hosted?

Also, Statamic is free for personal use now. If you've got some time download a copy and play around with it a bit. It really is the most fun I have had building a site in years.

Anecdotally I have heard that many clients prefer Statamic's and CraftCMS' editing experience over WP.

Re: On not choosing WordPress for the W3C redesign project

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Are those alternatives free or self-hosted?

Nope. But anyone that needs one probably isn't a position to self-host and is going to require the services of a developer negating the costs of the services anyway. They also get free suppport. You don't get that with WordPress.

> But anyone that needs one probably isn't a position to self-host

From what I've seen, almost all hosting providers now offer one-click installs for WordPress.

Re: On not choosing WordPress for the W3C redesign project

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post #166

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Are those alternatives free or self-hosted?

Also, Statamic is free for personal use now. If you've got some time download a copy and play around with it a bit. It really is the most fun I have had building a site in years. Anecdotally I have heard that many clients prefer Statamic's and CraftCMS' editing experience over WP.

Never heard of Statamic, but that's a really cool landing page!

Re: On not choosing WordPress for the W3C redesign project

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I'm technical director of an agency that builds websites solely in WordPress, and I can say with feeling that Gutenberg has (so far) been a disaster not just in terms of accessibility but in terms of clarity of the development process. It's been a moving target since day one, with us constantly scrambling to keep up with large changes in each release. We held off for a while, and have only built three sites with it,…

> major interfaces changes on a regular basis, each of which we have to spend time walking our clients through

I worked in web development ~15 years ago. As part of my job, I was tasked with another developer to transition a major client from a 4D system to PHP/MySQL. The other developer was keen to change how the admin interface worked. The client was keen to keep it the same for this very exact reason. They did not want to have to spend the time re-training their rather sizable staff.

The other developer won the argument with the boss. The new interface went in. The client eventually dumped the company. That's a lesson I've never forgotten, and it seems like a lesson too many technical people don't understand.

I knew the same thing would happen when they pushed Gutenberg. I'm convinced it was never about improving WordPress. It was about competing, via WordPress.com, with Square, Wix, and others.

Re: On not choosing WordPress for the W3C redesign project

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post #172

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Nope. But anyone that needs one probably isn't a position to self-host and is going to require the services of a developer negating the costs of the services anyway. They also get free suppport. You don't get that with WordPress.

> But anyone that needs one probably isn't a position to self-host From what I've seen, almost all hosting providers now offer one-click installs for WordPress.

Sure, but at that point the user is now paying for web hosting rendering the cost issue moot. And when they do run into issues who are they going to turn to? With the exception of WPEngine my, and my client's, experience with support from web hosts is garbage.

Aside from that, what's the UX like for a client spinning up a new WP site on GoDaddy or Bluehost vs. a new Wix, Weebly or Squarespace site?

In the end most of this is pretty subjective. If you like WordPress keep using it and recommending it. I used to love it and don't anymore. I think my clients get a better value using Statamic or one of the other options I've pointed to.

Re: On not choosing WordPress for the W3C redesign project

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Unless there's dynamic content, the pages are going to be cached anyway. I'm not sure static would buy anything much really. So few would be hitting the actual site.

Having 100% bulletproof site is huge (e.g. you can host static site on s3+cloudfront) vs worrying to be not-hacked, not-overloaded etc

Fair enough. Good point.

Btw, there is a hosted WP to static SaaS. I forget the name tho'.

Re: On not choosing WordPress for the W3C redesign project

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Gutenberg shipped way too soon. It has been a textbook case of how not to launch a product. Solid idea...horrendous execution. Mullenweg owes the WP community a massive apology. He especially owes the #a11y Community an apology. Hint: In either case don't hold your breath. But more importantly, it should not be in core. Full stop. Once WP became REST-driven the push should have been to lighten core. That is to decoup…

Meanwhile, the core lacks: multilingual, CDN support, caching. Essentials.

Those don't belong in core either. Core should focus strictly on the being a rock solid foundation. Plugins are there to supplement that. That's the beauty of the architecture. Or at least, is supposed to be.

WordPress should not have the same mindset as Jetpack. Oops? Did I just say that?? ;)

Re: On not choosing WordPress for the W3C redesign project

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I'm technical director of an agency that builds websites solely in WordPress, and I can say with feeling that Gutenberg has (so far) been a disaster not just in terms of accessibility but in terms of clarity of the development process. It's been a moving target since day one, with us constantly scrambling to keep up with large changes in each release. We held off for a while, and have only built three sites with it,…

I think the "hard and fast" mode is also making it hard for plugin developers to keep up. Two weeks ago, a conflict was pushing changes to a live site on preview. (Which is absolutely insane to me - I suspect there are users who unknowingly published changes to a live site) https://www.advancedcustomfields.com/blog/acf-5-9-1-release/ > " Fixed validation bugs One of the major improvements shipped in version 5.9 (PHP…

Well, I'll chime in with a weird bug that was supposedly gone from previous versions but came back in WP 5.4 Gutenberg.

You know those side panels where you can change values for blocks like padding, etc.? Well, every time I started typing in a value, the input field would lose focus. So if I wanted to enter 100 as a value for height in pixels, I would need to enter 1, click back in the field, enter 0, click back in the field, enter 0 again. Or type it in a text edit and copy-paste.

Googling told me it was a bug that had crept back: https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/20950

It was fixed again in WP 5.5, but it was agonising working on layouts before that.

Re: On not choosing WordPress for the W3C redesign project

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post #125

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Indeed. This is one of the reasons we started maintaining what is essentially a WordPress-for-enterprise distro, with a mix of first- and third-party code. The third-party plugins we bundle with it are from the select few sources we trust to build and maintain quality code (typically our peers).

> This is one of the reasons we started maintaining what is essentially a WordPress-for-enterprise distro, with a mix of first- and third-party code. Is this available publicly? Most of my work these days is putting right WordPress sites (and setting up Varnish and ESI) rather than building them, but this would be of interest.

It sure is, and fully open source. https://www.altis-dxp.com/ (https://www.altis-dxp.com/resources/docs/getting-started/#cr... to jump straight to the download from Composer stuff; https://github.com/humanmade/altis for the repo)
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