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Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by StavrosK »

ogre_codes wrote: post #165
multiplegeorges wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monopoly of what? A platform of their own creation? It's not of the app market or the mobile phone market, there are strong viable competitors in both. No one says Toyota is a monopolist of Toyota cars and yet Apple is called a monopolist of the App Store, iOS, and Apple phones.

Strangely, nobody says Microsoft has an xBox monopoly either. Likewise, no complaints about the PS4/5 monopoly or Nintendo Monopoly.

Oh I would love to be able to buy a full-price PS5 to install whatever I want on, rather than the discounted-because-PS-store one we have now.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by partiallypro »

usmannk wrote: post #161
partiallypro wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my main issue with it. If Microsoft say, added something to your host file, that blocked all ad trackers except from the Microsoft network, everyone would be up in arms. But since it's Apple, people think this is out of the goodness of their heart when really they just want all the data for themselves which they will eventually use in their in-app advertising. Heck maybe they will use this to subsidize any lo…

> If Microsoft say, added something to your host file, that blocked all ad trackers except from the Microsoft network, everyone would be up in arms. You'll love this: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-h...

Not seeing how this is similar? Telemetry data used to detect OS bugs vs highly intrusive data collection that is used for advertising?

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by ogre_codes »

StavrosK wrote: post #171
ogre_codes wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strangely, nobody says Microsoft has an xBox monopoly either. Likewise, no complaints about the PS4/5 monopoly or Nintendo Monopoly.

Oh I would love to be able to buy a full-price PS5 to install whatever I want on, rather than the discounted-because-PS-store one we have now.

Likewise, I'd be willing to pay a reasonable premium for a truly unlocked iPhone.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by throwaheyy »

ziftface wrote: post #91
spzb wrote: post #17

Gosh, there goes Apple with their anti-competitive monopolistic behaviour again. Facebook better join Epic in the queue at the courtroom. (sarcasm, in case it wasn't obvious)

Apple absolutely does abuse their power as a monopoly. I'm not sure how that's related to asking users for permission to share data with third parties, which is what this was about.

What?

Facebook is playing in Apple’s garden here. Remember when Facebook made their own phone and app store, and nobody wanted it?

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by StavrosK »

ogre_codes wrote: post #173
StavrosK wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I would love to be able to buy a full-price PS5 to install whatever I want on, rather than the discounted-because-PS-store one we have now.

Likewise, I'd be willing to pay a reasonable premium for a truly unlocked iPhone.

The difference is the iPhone isn't sold below cost, you should already be able to unlock it (except Apple just doesn't want you to) .

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by shajznnckfke »

Despegar wrote: post #153
shajznnckfke wrote: post #102

In iOS 13, Apple and third-party ad tracking were both controlled by the same opt-out setting. In iOS 14, the settings have been split, with third party tracking disabled and and Apple’s tracking enabled by default. Blatant anticompetitive behavior to promote their own tracking services in the guise of protecting users. Genius move by Apple. https://twitter.com/eric_seufert/status/1291730115253145600?...

From Peter Kafka: >Yes. Apple has a detailed answer but essentially says that's not so, and is a misreading of its policy. https://twitter.com/pkafka/status/1298662980457046016

I’d love to get more details about this.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by cactus2093 »

hinkley wrote: post #122

The abuser playbook really is pretty standard. I'm kind of surprised we don't have classes on how to avoid being on the receiving end. Push the person until they crack, then call for discretion and dialog about the 'problem' so you don't get what's coming to you. But that would probably conflict tremendously with the corporate interests that inform our public education system.

You kind of took it off the deep at there with the last sentence. Sure the Trump dept of education has been especially bad, but you can't blame all of the past decades of US public education mediocrity on corporate interests. Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by klyrs »

cactus2093 wrote: post #177
hinkley wrote: post #122

The abuser playbook really is pretty standard. I'm kind of surprised we don't have classes on how to avoid being on the receiving end. Push the person until they crack, then call for discretion and dialog about the 'problem' so you don't get what's coming to you. But that would probably conflict tremendously with the corporate interests that inform our public education system.

You kind of took it off the deep at there with the last sentence. Sure the Trump dept of education has been especially bad, but you can't blame all of the past decades of US public education mediocrity on corporate interests. Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

You might want to do a deep dive on the politics of textbooks, standardized tests, and the economics of charter schools. Corporate interests run deep, and it isn't limited to trump or either party.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by threeseed »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #115

I’m all for how these changes are going to negatively affect Facebook and advertisers. But I just can’t also escape the feeling in the long term I’m giving up control of the devices I own and the actual act of computing to get to this result. If it came to destroying advertisers or free open computing I want free computing.

Then don't buy an iPhone.

There are hundreds of phone manufacturers who are more than happy to take your money.

But if you buy an iPhone you need to understand that you are in the minority i.e. that most of us want Apple to make changes like this.

Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14

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Post by danShumway »

grishka wrote: post #168
madeofpalk wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with DNT was that it was off by default, advertisers didnt support it, and that it was yet another bit advertises used to create IDs for anon users.

The only real solution is to do away with third-party cookies being on by default. There are very narrow use cases that are beneficial to the end user, but the user-hostile ones far outweigh those. DNT is based on a flawed assumption that ad tech has good faith. In the real world, though, you don't ask for privacy, you take it.

This is the real lesson from DNT: you can not trust bad actors to be good.

Every time we see these voluntary initiatives about how advertisers are going to be responsible from now on... they can't. The industry will never be responsible, left to their own devices they'll use DNT as a tracking mechanism, and then justify it by saying that they need to remain competitive.

There is no such thing as a responsible advertising industry, it doesn't exist. They've demonstrated over and over again that they have to be treated like malicious actors, they are incapable of self-regulating.

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