They want you to login, so they have better data for monetization
I think they want you to login because it's hard to monetize anything while hemorrhaging cash to egress fees.
Docker to rate limit image pulls
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Re: Docker to rate limit image pulls
#172Good! I'd even welcome much more agressive limits than what they're proposing; the current culture regarding builds and CI in general is horrifyingly ineffficient, wasteful and in the end just plain slow. I'm looking forward to developers adjusting their workflows (and caches, etc.) to actual, reasonable limits, not just perusing the service as if it were an unlimited cost-free cornucopia of software.
> the current culture regarding builds and CI in general is horrifyingly ineffficient I used to be in charge of the website for a company you’ve heard of. We once realized some huge proportion of our traffic originated from a hosted CI company requesting the site thousands and thousands of times (guessing one for each build they hosted) every 5 minutes. I can’t remember what proportion of traffic it was but I’m prett…
I sure hope the "cloud first" advocates are happy now, because they have managed to create masses of developers who have next to no idea that what they're doing is an incredible waste of resources. These are also the same people who are perplexed why their systems intermittently fail, or are surprised that they do when the Internet connection cuts out for a bit.
Re: Docker to rate limit image pulls
#173I originally came here to ask how folks use that many docker images in six hours (I'm mostly a Docker n00b, and not being facetious); however, after reading the article, I clicked to see how much unlimited is and it's $5 a month. Now my question has changed to: is $5 a month really a deal breaker for folks to get unlimited? Or what are the use cases where the cost is prohibitive? Open source or community projects? In…
>Now my question has changed to: is $5 a month really a deal breaker for folks to get unlimited?
I want to speed forward 5 years and see how well this ages. It reminds me of all the other comments about "of course Facebook will never require an account to use your VR headset"...
Re: Docker to rate limit image pulls
#174There is very little reason for a build node to need to pull 200 images in 6 hours, and here is why: When a machine issues a ``docker build`` command, the program reads the relevant dockerfile to check for any base images that need to be pulled (a la "FROM:") These base images are identified based on the image repository, image name, and image tag. The first thing docker does is it checks its local registry and tries…
I don't disagree with what you are saying, _but_: > Docker defines pull rate limits as the number of manifest requests to Docker Hub. > For example, if you already have the image, the Docker Engine client will issue a manifest request, realize it has all of the referenced layers based on the returned manifest, and stop. ... ... So an image pull is actually one or two manifest requests, This still implies that even if…
I admittedly have only used Docker very little, but how exactly does someone manage to build images once every 108 seconds continuously for 6 hours? That sounds extreme.
Re: Docker to rate limit image pulls
#175I originally came here to ask how folks use that many docker images in six hours (I'm mostly a Docker n00b, and not being facetious); however, after reading the article, I clicked to see how much unlimited is and it's $5 a month. Now my question has changed to: is $5 a month really a deal breaker for folks to get unlimited? Or what are the use cases where the cost is prohibitive? Open source or community projects? In…
$5/month isn't $5/month. It's convincing your boss you need $5/month, because they need to convince their boss, which eventually makes its way up the chain to C-levels, who don't know Docker from yesterday's rotting tuna casserole and view eating either that or the $5/month with the same level of disdain. It isn't about the money, it's about the Mommy-May-I up and down the chain with emails and meetings and careful e…
There is no way you need C-level approval to get a $5 a month subscription.
Re: Docker to rate limit image pulls
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
If your C suite is personally approving a $5/month charge, your organization is likely no where near the size where a change like this from Docker impacts you.
Or maybe your organization is a public institution, where each penny spent needs to be authorized/accounted for.
> It was revealed on January 22, 2009 that Thain spent $1.22 million of corporate funds in early 2008 to renovate two conference rooms, a reception area, and his office, spending $131,000 for area rugs, $68,000 for an antique credenza, $87,000 for guest chairs, $35,115 for a gold-plated commode on legs, and $1,100 for a wastebasket. Thain subsequently apologized for his lapse in judgment, and reimbursed the company in full for the costs.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thain
"Sorry I got caught. I will work harder to hide next time."
Re: Docker to rate limit image pulls
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
It may be general resistance to a concept. More and more services are becoming subscription based, so 5$ here, 5$ there and the cost creeps further.
Exactly. It's hard enough to save money as it is. News websites blow my mind with this - if I forked over $5 to every news outlet I occasionally like to read, I'd be spending at least $500 maybe more per year JUST to get access to some random person's biased recant of what's happening in the world. If there were a news source that did the opposite of this, and basically provided a bullet list of objective, non-biased…
I ran the math on this once.
Just a subscription to The Information is $399/yr. Add a subscription to the Times, and you've already blown past your $500 budget.
Re: Docker to rate limit image pulls
#178yeah docker is both the best and the worst build tool
best because it's hermetic
worst because it's wasteful and isn't great at any kind of graph-based step caching (even with buildkit graphs, that's not going to integrate well with your package management and build tool)
Re: Docker to rate limit image pulls
#179I see a lot of people mentioning the low cost, saying that it's no big deal. It's not the cost that I find annoying; it's dealing with credentials and secrets..
Re: Docker to rate limit image pulls
#180There is very little reason for a build node to need to pull 200 images in 6 hours, and here is why: When a machine issues a ``docker build`` command, the program reads the relevant dockerfile to check for any base images that need to be pulled (a la "FROM:") These base images are identified based on the image repository, image name, and image tag. The first thing docker does is it checks its local registry and tries…
> This is significant - if your organization only uses a few dozen base images from DockerHub, those images will only be downloaded by each build node _once_, then never again. You're assuming that the set of build nodes is relatively static. Plenty of architectures set up autoscaling for the underlying nodes, that terminate servers that aren't being used and relatively soon enough (tens of minutes, hours) spin up ne…
You can just build your own machine images and not use docker at all.