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Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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a) Global market share is irrelevant, show US share, which is about 51/49 b) Apple makes up the plurality of all store revenues, despite having a smaller install base both globally and in the US. c) You can display monopolistic/duopoly behavior without having 100% of the market.

Ok so when was 49% considered a “monopoly”. Can you name one incident in case law where that was the case?

it is a defacto 'duopoly', or an informal cartel... plenty of laws around it if you are not too lazy to google them...

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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An issue I haven't seen previously discussed is Apple's enforcement of their "Business" guideline (3.2) which effectively prevents certain b2b apps from making it onto the App Store because the app is supposedly not available to a wide enough consumer audience. This is a very subjective policy because popular b2b apps such as Slack, Zendesk, etc which have a wide reach are allowed, but more industry specific b2b apps…

> We encourage you to review the other ways to distribute your business app and choose one that better meets your business needs."

At least that won't take long. Lol.

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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I'm a libertarian. I believe in personal choice and freedom. But you have tons of freedom here. Instead of using an OS (iOS in this case) with 25% market share that forces you to go through their AppStore, you can choose to use Android (which has 75% market share) and side load apps to your hearts content. reference: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide

You don't get to choose if you're a developer. For mobile apps a prerequisite for success is to have an app for both Android (via the Play Store) and iOS. With iOS you're forced to deal with Apple. With Android you're forced to deal with Google. Yeah, you can opt to target only one of them, but you're (usually) going to get out competed by a company that targets both.

There are plenty of indy iOS app developers who won’t go near Android and are doing quite well. I’m sure there are some Android only indy developers making a good living. I just don’t follow that market.

There are plenty of markets and Technologies I won’t touch with a ten foot pole.

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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I find the group think here to be incredible, and you all will likely be very disappointed when the legal system winds up supporting Apple. Regulating retailers because you don’t like their cut is price controls, which is completely contrary to a free market, and ultimately undermines the end user experience of having a trusted, secure store. Perhaps Google or Apple’s power is so strong as to warrant regulation - but…

are you serious? Historically you are on the wrong side of the argument. MSFT lost their case in the 90s, of 'other' but not that much different reasons... to their core they are anti-competitive. Also we have the break up of the original Bell system and several companies were formed out of it.

GOOG and APL most likely will lose this one.

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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Really at this point Apple control over app store is anti-competitive (and Google over play store), having to rely on community outrage to get stuff like this turned is ridiculous. They should create legislation to control access to all app stores to prevent this rent seeking - force app stores to treat all apps equally according to store defined guidelines (including store owners apps) - any submissions have to be r…

The problem I have is that you make it sound like you have a right to release software for their platform. They opened their platform for devs to make apps. You accepted that offer, read their terms, agreed to those terms, and are now complaining about those terms? I get it that you want to make 100% of the price made from each sell, but that's not realistic. If you sell your product at a brick&mortar store, you don'…

30% of the app price is high, but not insane. They're handling 100% of the distribution, installation, verification, and payment processing. 30% of recurring revenue is highway robbery, because they offer NOTHING to subscription content.

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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> My next laptop will be a Thinkpad or Dell. Why haven’t you switched yet? Competition is not that good unfortunately.

Since being apartment-bound due to COVID, I've switched to doing most of my development on my desktop machine, so there hasn't been any urgent need for me to have a new laptop. I still have my late-2013 MBP, one of the last non-Butterfly / non-Touchbar laptops Apple made, which I use on rare occasions. I've looked at the Windows laptops extensively though, and will likely get a ThinkPad X1 Extreme G2 or G3, or a Dell…

> I've looked at the Windows laptops extensively

You can also take a look at linux vendors like System76. Check their line-up here: https://system76.com/laptops

Among Windows laptops did you consider the ASUS Zephyrus G14?

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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I upvoted your comments based on a good faith belief that you're open to learning more about how antitrust law works. It has little to do with market share, and everything to do with a concept called "market power." Market power is the ability to coerce people into paying more for something via a mechanism other than actually offering a better product or service. A textbook example which most people would agree is ba…

A textbook example which most people would agree is bad is a trust/cartel situation where a few players artificially limit supply, and then can raise the price on consumers because there are no competitors. A cartel implies collusion and unless you have evidence that Apple is colluding with Google and all of the console makers this is irrelevant. But if a firm is able to drive up prices with impunity for any reason,…

OK, from the last part of the comment there, you demonstrated that my good faith belief was wrong, so I'm not going to waste more time with you. Have fun stewing in your own juices. In your community of one you'll always be right.

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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It's not really practical to develop apps for iOS without owning an iPhone. Yes, there is a simulator available which you can run on Mac OS in a VM or on a Hackintosh, but you still will need a real device at the end of the day. Certain features like in-app purchases can only be tested on real devices. Furthermore, the App Review Board has the power to reject your app at any time until you provide them with a demonst…

> It's not really practical to develop apps for iOS without owning an iPhone This applies to all platforms. I wouldn't want to do business with a developer that doesn't own the device they're developing for, we learned that lesson with Blackberry thank you.

The CEO of Google refused to use an Android device for years....

https://9to5google.com/2013/03/21/google-chairman-eric-schmi...

Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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> It used to be that my apps made more money on Apple devices, but now I actually make more on Android. Which apps are those? Genuinely interested in seeing the numbers.

We all understand that it's an absurd fiction, right? The story reads like a tired fan fiction. Bizarre seeing this nonsense upvoted on here. It is a Saturday evening so I guess that's why.

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Re: Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases

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Google already allows apps outside the Play Store, and third party app stores as well

How did that work out for a Fortnite?

Badly. Google needs to be regulated too.
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