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Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by jorvi »

rjtavares wrote: post #148
sbmthakur wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One difference between TikTok and other companies is that they are backed by an entity which has plans for global dominance and are not exactly aligned with American interests.

Facebook is a company that has plans for (and has achieved) global dominance and is not aligned with European interests. Boeing is a company backed by an entity which has plans for (and has achieved) global dominance and is increasingly not aligned with European interests. I know there's a huge difference between the US Government and the Chinese Government, but that difference is decreasing. And Facebook, well I sim…

> Boeing is a company backed by an entity which has plans for (and has achieved) global dominance and is increasingly not aligned with European interests.

Airbus and Boeing pretty much go toe-to-toe, no?

Also Boeing still has the very possible abandoning of the 787-Max and the WTO dispute resolution (that still hasn’t been implemented) looming over them.

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Post by zeckalpha »

endogui wrote: post #168
buran77 wrote: post #166

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> they are backed by an entity which has plans for global dominance and are not exactly aligned with American interests The irony is that each of the entities has plans for global dominance, which is incompatible with the plans and interests the other one has. The sad part is that it turns out the US is willing to forgo its values if this gives them a leg up on China. Makes any future rhetoric on values and morals se…

Rhetoric about US values has been empty since Guantanamo Bay started housing "foreign militants". Europe seems to be the only place in the West where a commitment to human rights is sincere.

It started long before that.

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Post by baybal2 »

izacus wrote: post #160
baybal2 wrote: post #113

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> I strongly hope that your strange "tit-for-tat" doesn't extend to basic rights of people and businesses on US soil. Your enemy brakes rules to gain advantage, why wouldn't you. I for long thought of this as a weakness in America. Thousands of children of CPC's top leadership live, and study in USA, including children of Xi, Li, and Lin. Your solution to solve your problem with China overnight was pretty much lying…

> Your enemy brakes rules to gain advantage, why wouldn't you. Probably because if your "enemy" (interesting that this wording started to pop up in relation to China a lot) is a totalitarian state which abuses their people... you don't want to follow their rules and societal structure. At least that's my takeaway as an Eastern European with a bit of experience of such regimes.

Well, take a look on Mr Obama, and what legal trickery he went through to drone his own citizen (Awlaki.) Now, America can drone own citizens, but can't do this?

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by endogui »

oblio wrote: post #165
zpeti wrote: post #46

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Hard to presume they are innocent when a search for Hong Kong during the protests got you a few dance videos from HK...

So the US is banning them because they're complying with Chinese censorship requests?

They don't even operate in China (blocked by the Great Firewall), so a pro-Chinese bias to their content is circumstantial evidence that the true purpose of the app is light foreign psyops.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by swebs »

buran77 wrote: post #166
sbmthakur wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One difference between TikTok and other companies is that they are backed by an entity which has plans for global dominance and are not exactly aligned with American interests.

> they are backed by an entity which has plans for global dominance and are not exactly aligned with American interests The irony is that each of the entities has plans for global dominance, which is incompatible with the plans and interests the other one has. The sad part is that it turns out the US is willing to forgo its values if this gives them a leg up on China. Makes any future rhetoric on values and morals se…

The USA has been the sole military superpower for 30 years now, with more power than the rest of the world combined. If they wanted global dominance, they'd already have it long ago.

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Post by wcoenen »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #161
httpsterio wrote: post #151

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a company is not a natural citizen and as such, amendments do not extend to those. amendments are the bare minimum guarantee you as a person are given by the country of your residence or citizenship.

The word "citizen" is not present in the Bill of Rights. The Amendments guarantee rights that you already have, countries can't give you rights.

> The Amendments guarantee rights that you already have, countries can't give you rights.

This statement confused me, probably because I'm not from the US and am missing some cultural dogma/context. But the way I think about it, "rights" are not encoded in the laws of physics. They are social constructs. Therefore different societies can come up with a different and even conflicting set of "rights".

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by zarathustreal »

buran77 wrote: post #166
sbmthakur wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One difference between TikTok and other companies is that they are backed by an entity which has plans for global dominance and are not exactly aligned with American interests.

> they are backed by an entity which has plans for global dominance and are not exactly aligned with American interests The irony is that each of the entities has plans for global dominance, which is incompatible with the plans and interests the other one has. The sad part is that it turns out the US is willing to forgo its values if this gives them a leg up on China. Makes any future rhetoric on values and morals se…

Rhetoric is empty by definition, its purpose is to persuade. Also you’re speaking from a global point of view by addressing “the US” and “China” versus “our country” and “their country” so the idea that there exists “values and morals” in that context is also obviously incorrect as each culture has its own set. Even within a given culture there exists different sets. I’d go as far as to say that with the dissolution of Christianity as a cohesive unifying religion within the US values and morality no longer exist as such. Each person’s beliefs change almost daily given how fast information and ideas spread on the internet and social networks. Appeals to morality are essentially dead in my opinion

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by cocktailpeanuts »

sbmthakur wrote: post #131
ladberg wrote: post #28

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Why does China doing something make it ok for the US to do it too?

US companies get access to one market while Chinese companies get access to both markets. While this isn't exactly fair, I don't think Americans are bothered by this. But I guess that won't be the case when most of the Americans get used to a Chinese app and criticism of the CCP is suppressed.

I assure you, all american entrepreneurs are deeply bothered by this.

Uber lost in China mainly because of this.

Re: TikTok to Sue U.S. over Ban

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Post by hoseja »

swebs wrote: post #175
buran77 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they are backed by an entity which has plans for global dominance and are not exactly aligned with American interests The irony is that each of the entities has plans for global dominance, which is incompatible with the plans and interests the other one has. The sad part is that it turns out the US is willing to forgo its values if this gives them a leg up on China. Makes any future rhetoric on values and morals se…

The USA has been the sole military superpower for 30 years now, with more power than the rest of the world combined. If they wanted global dominance, they'd already have it long ago.

Is MAD not a thing anymore?
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