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Blizzard workers share salaries in revolt over wage disparities

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Re: Blizzard workers share salaries in revolt over wage disparities

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At least tips are in cash, not funny money.

With this practice, your total pay is always equal to the minimum wage. You get minimum wage even if you earn no tips. In other words, the tips are worth zero to you, they just save your employer money.

Not following. Don't tips go directly to the recipient without any reductions?

Re: Blizzard workers share salaries in revolt over wage disparities

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post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least tips are in cash, not funny money.

With this practice, your total pay is always equal to the minimum wage. You get minimum wage even if you earn no tips. In other words, the tips are worth zero to you, they just save your employer money.

Unless you get more tips to push you past minimum wage.

Re: Blizzard workers share salaries in revolt over wage disparities

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post #160

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I'd argue your first example is actually fair. Someone who has trouble negotiating in professional circles is going to have issues far beyond the workplace, if nothing else they're going to get repeatably screwed buying a car, and they should work on that. Why shouldn't the more aggressive, more strategic people earn more on average? I'd argue they give more of a damn by definition. The ability to project social forc…

> Why shouldn't the more aggressive, more strategic people earn more on average? Because being "aggressive" and "strategic" are not the only two qualities useful to providing value to an employer. Hell, depending on your role, being aggressive can be a negative.

That’s not what he said and it’s obviously not the only reason someone gets paid - it’s just a reason one might get paid more. This is a classic straw man.

Re: Blizzard workers share salaries in revolt over wage disparities

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> Sadly your pay has little to do with merit, and more to do with perception, connections, face time and ability to handle office issues better than your cohort. These are merits. They mean you're easy to work with, people want to work with you, you know how to make and maintain important relationships. You'd make a good leader. You can recruit talented people. You can get preferential treatment from vendors. Your pr…

All the things the OP listed are real merits. It's not even a game, but being a professional. Perception = you are good at communicating your work to others Connections = you have a strong network and stay informed and know who to talk to for different tasks Face time = you are easy to get along with Ability to handle office issues = you are a lubricant that make the group dynamic work If you don't do those things, t…

You have any actual backup for this? I know too many niche tech guys who do nothing of this but get work done (inc myself) and make sv money in the eu while the people who do do this make far far less as they are easy to replace by other ‘talkytalky’ people who talk and don’t get actual work done. I guess if you do both you are a winner but I have never met anyone like that; where do you find the time to network and write metric tons of code? Both take a lot of time but one of them can be done by a far greater % of people.

Re: Blizzard workers share salaries in revolt over wage disparities

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sure, you bargained. But your job isn't to bargain for salary. That's not the value you provide to a company. And so the dumb part, the unfair part, about salary discrepancies is that it is divorced from performance. It is divorced from value. Which doesn't mean that you, on an individual level, shouldn't negotiate. But it does imply that salary negotiation generally leads to results that (very) (incredibly) (if at a…

> your job isn't to bargain for salary This is a bit nonsensical. Nobody knows better than you what your time is worth because it is your time . You don't owe companies anything, including working for less than you are willing to take in payment.

You shouldnt discount that a lot of people cannot just walk away from a job because the only got a 3% increase while they wanted 10%.

You need to be confident that you can find another job that pays equally or better in order to be truely using the leverage.

A lot of people don't have that security and cannot take that risk.

Re: Blizzard workers share salaries in revolt over wage disparities

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Back when I worked there, they had something called "Blizzard Bucks" to "supplement" your salary. Basically "Blizzard Bucks" was Monopoly money we could use to buy their microtransactions and WoW game-time. In reality, you made approx. $30-40k sans OT, but they would always calculate your "salary" at $50-60k because of all the "Blizzard Bucks" and claim your salary was industry best. The best part was, and they would…

Is it possible to spend $20k per year in WoW?

Quite a few people I worked with dumped it into Overwatch and Heroes of the Storm loot boxes.

Oh, and Hearthstone packs

[edit: forgot Hearthstone]

Re: Blizzard workers share salaries in revolt over wage disparities

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post #141

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Then you dont know your western history :-) There used to be whole towns where you'd get entirely paid in, and shop with, corporate funny money https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_scrip

At least company scrip was used to buy food/normal goods, albeit at a large markup. "Blizzard bucks" sound completely useless unless you're really into games

Since you can trade WOW (and many other MMOs’) items for real world cash, I wouldn’t call Blizzard bucks useless. In fact I’ve heard people playing WoW for a living...

Basically, say Blizzard compensates you $20k in Blizzard bucks, and you auction off $20k worth of items at a reduced rate, you end up taking $20k * discount rate from Blizzard’s revenue, roughly speaking.

Re: Blizzard workers share salaries in revolt over wage disparities

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post #163

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With this practice, your total pay is always equal to the minimum wage. You get minimum wage even if you earn no tips. In other words, the tips are worth zero to you, they just save your employer money.

Not following. Don't tips go directly to the recipient without any reductions?

Don't know about US, but in Canada you're supposed to report them as income and pay taxes on them.

Re: Blizzard workers share salaries in revolt over wage disparities

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post #25

So possibly unpopular point of view here, maybe not on HN, but I think pay discrepancies can be entirely fair. I'm almost certain my pay is different from my colleagues, but I've bargained like hell to get it. When I was hired, every time we've been acquired. I'm no executive either, I'm just a developer with a proven history of give-a-damn. I think it's perfectly fair game in a job where it's hard to replace individ…

I get more money than colleagues working in production, but I don't think the discrepancy should be too high. Without them the software I develop is worth nothing.

Everyone is replaceable. True that it is much harder to find a new dev or manager, but they still exist. I believe thinking a bit outside the box is a good idea, doesn't mean you have to start a workers union.

And while it might not be fitting to single out Blizzard as a company here, I think this "compensation" is taking the piss out of employees.

Re: Blizzard workers share salaries in revolt over wage disparities

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post #172
post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With this practice, your total pay is always equal to the minimum wage. You get minimum wage even if you earn no tips. In other words, the tips are worth zero to you, they just save your employer money.

Unless you get more tips to push you past minimum wage.

I assume parent meant that if you do not collect enough tips to reach minimal salary, employer pays you more to reach minimal salary, but if you collect enough tips, employer adds nothing.
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