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Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by stale2002 »

akersten wrote: post #5
ve55 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is likely considered by many to be a threat to democracy, which is part of the reasoning behind this

Great, but that doesn't answer my question: What authority does a US president have to tell a US-based software company to not distribute code from its US servers?

> What authority does a US president have to tell a US-based software company to not distribute code from its US servers?

Well it has the authority that is backed up by both the most powerful economic nation, that has the most powerful military in the world, and which is the nation that contains many of the most valuable companies in the world, which will absolutely follow the orders of our judges.

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Post by khuey »

free_rms wrote: post #162
brbsix wrote: post #155

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I've never understood why people espouse China's "4000 year history". The government purged nearly all aspects of traditional Chinese society during the Cultural Revolution. If you want to be reminded of China's history, you travel to Taiwan. Even practitioners of Chinese traditional medicine tend to study overseas in Japan.

This is incredibly inaccurate. You work in tech, right? Ever run this take by your Chinese coworkers? Ask them about their families' connection to Chinese tradition?

That "X thousand years of history" is a myth Chinese people believe about themselves doesn't make it true or a useful way of understanding anything.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by dragonwriter »

busymom0 wrote: post #61
zelly wrote: post #35

Hopefully this will raise awareness on PWAs. Hopefully using PWAs on mobile will be normalized by the 18-24 year olds. TikTok's PWA seems intentionally gimped (you can't even search) but I will bet it will suddenly start working once it disappears from the Western app stores. Is there anything TikTok does that the Web Platform + WASM cannot do? (besides spying)

I don’t think this will just be the app itself. It will be network traffic based.

No, it will most likely be restriction on business operations based.

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by sebmellen »

t1kt0kaway wrote: post #154
busymom0 wrote: post #63

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I think this is a good measure to even the playing field. Thousands of companies are blocked in China. So why not do the same?

Because I (a citizen) might want to access the information provided by this service. I (an individual) would be happy to see TikTok banned, along with Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/etc, because I see them as vain wastes of time with a sinister twist. But I've also met teenagers, and even been one! So I can guess how they might respond to a government-imposed ban on a new and interesting vice. And I (a citizen) am deeply…

Given your username and how recently your account was created, I can't help but be a bit wary. Not that I disagree with what you've written in principle.

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Post by tanilama »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #106

Not even getting into the CCP ties, it's always struck me as unfair that Western social media companies are banned in China, while Chinese ones have been able to compete Worldwide. In a way this gives Chinese apps an immediate advantage (as some are indirectly calling out in this comment section). If you want to reach out to someone in China, you have to use a Chinese company's app. Since social media is mostly a win…

That is actually fair enough.

The Chinese internet censorship isn't only censorship, it is also protectionism under disguise.

There is no reason to offer market access to the Chinese companies when China refuses to reciprocitate

Re: Trump says he will ban TikTok through executive action

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Post by dragonwriter »

quotemstr wrote: post #52
zelly wrote: post #35

Hopefully this will raise awareness on PWAs. Hopefully using PWAs on mobile will be normalized by the 18-24 year olds. TikTok's PWA seems intentionally gimped (you can't even search) but I will bet it will suddenly start working once it disappears from the Western app stores. Is there anything TikTok does that the Web Platform + WASM cannot do? (besides spying)

If the state can order tech companies to blacklist apps, the state can order tech companies to add certain sites to their "malicious browsing" filters or order ISPs to IP-block arbitrary hosts. The state simply has no legal authority under which it may ban apps. If the big tech companies roll over for this and say "yes, sir", they'll do anything. I'm a huge proponent of regulating big tech companies, but all regulati…

> If the state can order tech companies to blacklist apps

The state absolutely can order parties not to participate in any way with trade prohibited under it's Constitutional power to regulate international trade.

Which includes Presidential directives issued under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.

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Post by sebmellen »

freedomgone70 wrote: post #112
busymom0 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is a good measure to even the playing field. Thousands of companies are blocked in China. So why not do the same?

Because if I wanted to live in China I would move there? It’s a social platform and I KNOW why other country’s try to control social networks but I wasn’t expecting us to stoop that low for control. They want to talk about fake news but limit us from speaking to each other with something they can’t control. A lot of protestors use it and it was directly used to troll trump by Americans , it’s a conflict of interest.…

Another account created in the last 45 minutes. There seem to be a lot of them on this thread. 50 cent army?

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Post by ptx »

hourislate wrote: post #137
dragonwriter wrote: post #118

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> Shows how far the balance of power has shifted in the last 20 years back when the Chinese government was banning western products to prevent "spiritual pollution" and "western influence". Yes, now it's the US doing desperate acts of authoritarianism out of weakness.

Have you considered a Chinese App on 10's of millions of phones across the US and the security implications? I would think an adversary like China could very well take advantage of that.

Good point. By the same reasoning, China should of course ban American apps.

Edit: As they have done. (So don't complain about unfair market access, as they clearly have good reasons. Right?)

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Post by dragonwriter »

xxpor wrote: post #144
quotemstr wrote: post #87

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No, the state doesn't blacklist programs. Code is speech. Bernstein v. Department of Justice established that [1] in the 1990s. Sure, if you have an app, and you distribute copyrighted material as part of that app, yes, you can be prosecuted under copyright law and be forced (via injunction) to stop distributing that app. But the word "law" is essential: there is a specific rule, set out in advance, which applies to…

And SCOTUS has shown no issue with rebuking Trump for shortcutting the APA.

Any action here would almost certainly be under the IEEPA, to which APA rulemaking process does not apply.

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Post by whoisjuan »

robotbikes wrote: post #124
whoisjuan wrote: post #47

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It wouldn’t matter. To make it effective the FCC would likely ask all the ISPs and Carriers to block TikTok IPs at the network level.

I don't think the FCC will move that fast to do something this drastic but I could be wrong. This whole move will likely anger a lot of people and feel authoritarian because they aren't use to the government censoring the media they consume.

FCC is completely aligned with this administration policies. I think they would totally act fast if asked.
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