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Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by mthoms »

gambiting wrote: post #127
JohnTHaller wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chinese authorities have the broad ability to prohibit travelers from leaving China (also known as ‘exit bans’); exit bans have been imposed to compel U.S. citizens to resolve business disputes, force settlement of court orders, or facilitate government investigations. Individuals not involved in legal proceedings or suspected of wrongdoing have also be subjected to lengthy exit bans in order to compel their family…

I mean, is it really such a rare thing to do? I know that in Poland if you have any outstanding and overdue unpaid fines/alimonies/traffic tickets, you will be prevented from boarding a flight out of the country at any airport until those obligations are paid.

You're missing the point. People are being accused for crimes they (more than likely) didn't commit and denied basic human rights.

They face a 99% conviction rate in the Chinese courts.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-china-charges-...

Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by Nginx487 »

dicomdan wrote: post #21
rorykoehler wrote: post #7

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Posted 10 mins ago and already downvoted. Do HN not have algos to stop this astroturfing behaviour? It’s becoming very prevalent for anything that criticises the CCP.

This is by design, there's a lot of money in Chinese startups so it makes sense for YC to try and appease the regime. There are a couple superusers who will send this post to 3rd page in an hour or less. And everyone who speaks out gets a ban or warning from dang because of "rule violation". At the same time if you post anything, no matter how unsubstantiated, that criticizes US or liberal democracies or their tech c…

Any possible measures to oppose such a behavior? Chinese do not hesitate to use freedom of speech when it works for their interest, like vandalizing GitHub pages of regime critics, however Chinese platforms protected against any foreign meddling by design.

Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by mindslight »

conanbatt wrote: post #96
wendyshu wrote: post #54

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China's state-sponsored IP theft has been called the largest transfer of wealth in history. I'm honestly curious what the best diplomatic strategy is to combat it, other than declaring war.

I doubt this claim very much. How was such a calculation made?

The same way the MPAA sues single mothers for quintillions of dollars.

Copyright, patents, and trademarks are all just customs to facilitate creation. They run counter to the obvious Schelling point of information being easily propagated. Bundling these customs up into "IP", attempting to cement them into some iron-clad property regime, and then complaining when that is not respected is mostly just a symptom of western corruption.

The immediate remedy is tariffs that compensate for the lack of royalties for goods imported back into the western market. The longer term solution is to accept the reality, and hope that as China develops they will want to buy into the paradigm.

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Post by IllogicalLogic »

DuskStar wrote: post #9
eplanit wrote: post #6

I get the impression that we're now in an undeclared Cold War with China.

How does a country declare a Cold War, anyways?

>How does a country declare a Cold War, anyways?

Simple, just don't cooperate with western capitalists looking to plunder an area, a Cold War will be declared shortly after.

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Post by jorblumesea »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #170
jorblumesea wrote: post #128

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I don't think anyone would disagree that she's a pawn in a geopolitical struggle, but it also sounds like she absolutely and intentionally violated US law. There's pretty clear evidence, mostly in emails, of Huawei execs knowingly flaunting the export laws. It's unclear if the westerners detained in China have committed crimes. I think their detention is a good example of what this warning is about. Detained for uncl…

>I don't think anyone would disagree that she's a pawn in a geopolitical struggle, but it also sounds like she absolutely and intentionally violated US law Someone that didn't visit the US was arrested for "breaking US law"...replace "US" with "China" and see how this sentence rings.

Why do you have to visit the country to commit crimes against that country? Isn't that how every sovereign nation state works?

The host country can choose not to extradite, but most countries generally accept this basic idea that sovereign nations can charge and warrant the arrest of individuals as pertinent.

Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by [deleted] »

unishark wrote: post #121
jorblumesea wrote: post #106

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Maybe not with US territory directly but China has been extremely aggressive in the South China Sea. Despite this being international waters, Western aligned nations and US ships have been directly harassed and threatened. The Chinese island military bases are a direct move to allow area denial. They [the CCP] also export Chinese-style internet controls and ideological ideas around censorship and the acceptability of…

Are you calling Vietnam a western-aligned nation? I'd say it just looks like China versus whoever stands in their way as they invent new claims to resources in the region.

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Post by notaround1111 »

fermienrico wrote: post #157

Deleting this comment - I will email dang.

I've also noticed a large influx of new accounts posting low quality, politically charged comments in the past few months. You can find plenty of those in this thread.

I think its pretty likely that we're headed for an extinction type event for upvote based "anonymous" message boards like HN, reddit ... or at least a significant decline in their usefulness

Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by ddona »

simonsarris wrote: post #98

Note that US citizens have long been warned about stuff like this, especially exit bans. From the state department in 2018: > Exercise increased caution in China due to the arbitrary enforcement of local laws and special restrictions on dual U.S.-Chinese nationals. > Chinese authorities have the broad ability to prohibit travelers from leaving China (also known as ‘exit bans’); exit bans have been imposed to compel U…

How is this moving below a post (on the front page) about MariaDB that's 14 hours old (versus 3 hours old), has fewer points, and many fewer comments?

Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by [deleted] »

mthoms wrote: post #171
gambiting wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, is it really such a rare thing to do? I know that in Poland if you have any outstanding and overdue unpaid fines/alimonies/traffic tickets, you will be prevented from boarding a flight out of the country at any airport until those obligations are paid.

You're missing the point. People are being accused for crimes they (more than likely) didn't commit and denied basic human rights. They face a 99% conviction rate in the Chinese courts. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-china-charges-...

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