Regardless of your feelings on AMP, the premise of this article is wrong. Security standards and expectations are still exactly the same in this model. You see "google.com" in the address bar and trust that Google is serving you the right content.
Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?
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How does centralizing content on Google from multiple sources improve decentralization? The web is already decentralized. That's why it is a web. AMP is a scourge. It's a bad idea being pushed by bad actors.
Google is not a single server. Think of Google as a CDN.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does centralizing content on Google from multiple sources improve decentralization? The web is already decentralized. That's why it is a web. AMP is a scourge. It's a bad idea being pushed by bad actors.
Google is not a single server. Think of Google as a CDN.
So it's decentralized because Google has multiple servers? And here I was, thinking that Google runs everything from a single IBM mainframe.
What you're saying would be described as distributed... Not decentralized.
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The pattern is dangerous because it trains the user to dissociate URL and legitimate content, and the best tool at our disposal against phishing is still the ability to use the URL to ascertain the legitimacy of a content.
URLs haven't been associated with legitimate content for a long time now, since most of the things come from giant CDN companies like CloudFlare anyway. What you're seeing in URL bar has very little to do with where the JS code executed on your computer is coming from.
Yes, but users at least know the js code loaded was done so on behalf of the webpage the url points too
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not exactly. For a CDN to work, the DNS is repointed towards the CDN's servers. In this case, Google is trying to cover-up that Google and not NYTimes is serving the page.
Is NYTimes's use of Fastly also a cover-up?
Does NYTimes' use of Fastly subvert the meaning of the URL by literally covering it up in the address bar? Nope? Not the same thing, then.
Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with the fundamental concept of signed exchanges. The only problem is that it's just that: a signed exchange of content, which should have nothing to do with the domain name authority in the URL. By all means, display "Content from: a.com" in a box next to the URL, but don't change b.com to a.com in the URL as though it doesn't already have a well defined meaning.
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#176People have been railing against Google's Amp on HN for years, and I think I finally figured out what it's for. It's Google way of combatting phone apps. If all of the world's information — especially current news and similar information — moves from the open web into apps, then Google can no longer crawl, index, or scrape that information for its own use. The rise of the mobile phone app is a threat to Google on so…
Interesting theory. One hole is that companies want to be on Google's results. It hurts WaPo not to be in the top N results, so they have an incentive to make it at least possible.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does centralizing content on Google from multiple sources improve decentralization? The web is already decentralized. That's why it is a web. AMP is a scourge. It's a bad idea being pushed by bad actors.
Google is not a single server. Think of Google as a CDN.
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#178The whole AMP thing seems anti-competitive and hostile to the open web. It's a really bad look on Google's part to be pushing this.
I am conflicted Yes, AMP is an anti-competitive move by Google At the same time AMP is "faster" because it gets rid of all the nagware and JS crap that the original page has. So yeah, I don't like what Google is doing but I don't like what NYT is doing neither
But why allow a third party (Google in this case) to collect data on your reading behavior on NYT?
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#179Yes this has been a big issue for a very long time now. Google wants to push a release where it will display the hostname of the amp site even if the content is being served from google.com[1]. Mozilla (and Apple) are strictly against it and thank god for Mozilla. If Google had a bigger market share this would already be something we would have been living with. I'm sure there are better sources for this, but here is…
I'm still waiting for general support of addons for the next version of Firefox on mobile just so that I can have the Redirect AMP to HTML[1] addon. [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/amp2html/
I'm on Firefox on a mobile device. That addon has a redirection link [1] specifically for Firefox' mobile version.
As I didn't know about this addon, thanks for sharing it.
[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/amp2html/
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#180AMP is the main reason I switched to DuckDuckGo from Google. Webpage rendering often used to break on iOS, in particular scrolling where the page would just go blank.