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Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code
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Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
My first glance reads it to be more like airtable or even salesforce at some level, which to your point are the modern iterations of access / filemaker. Drag and drop all-in-one database and application designer that by virtue of being online and multi-user make them way more useful.
It's a fairly busy territory as it is, with at least 20 major enterprise players. Microsoft PowerApps with PowerAutomate (formerly Flow, their Zapier/IFTTT) have a huge advantage of being bundled right into other licenses. SalesForce and ServiceNow have similar advantages. Quick Base[1] has to be considered the incumbent. Zoho, Oracle. And then the more independent Appian, Betty Blocks, Mendix, OutSystems. This tends…
I agree. In our case we're focusing on gathering and sharing information securely (end-to-end encrypted) i.e. Typeform for PII[0] with information verification built-in. There are lots of use-cases for a tool that enables non-coders to incorporate that information collection into their business process (we believe).
[0] Personally identifying information
Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code
#173I think the thing that "coding without code" fundamentally misses is that learning to actually write Python or Java or whatever is not the hard part of being productive in a business context. The hard part of creating useful software is that you have to understand a business process and its requirements so precisely that you can write it down for the computer to do. I work with business stakeholders creating internal…
~20 years ago, I spent a year or so mostly creating and updating Lotus Notes 'apps' for internal use at my employer. Most of these were CRUD apps to support existing business processes. The v1 of each one, which was immediately useful and used, usually took me 4 to 8 hours to create. That includes the time talking to the main user to understand what they needed. I can't achieve the same speed with Django or Flask. Ma…
That's interesting. Personally, learning Django to be comfortable with it takes quite some time for me. Translating the business process to code means you have to be comfortable with the framework, no matter what you're using. What do you often you feel you're stuck on?
Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code
#174I think the thing that "coding without code" fundamentally misses is that learning to actually write Python or Java or whatever is not the hard part of being productive in a business context. The hard part of creating useful software is that you have to understand a business process and its requirements so precisely that you can write it down for the computer to do. I work with business stakeholders creating internal…
I agree with this.
Just this week I had a lengthy 2 day discussion involving 4 other employees, 8+ long emails, and hundreds of words in chat ... all to figure out that we need to add an if/else statement and two simple lines of code.
The code took 2 minutes. The discovery took 2 days.
The "curse of knowledge" works both ways.
Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code
#175I think the thing that "coding without code" fundamentally misses is that learning to actually write Python or Java or whatever is not the hard part of being productive in a business context. The hard part of creating useful software is that you have to understand a business process and its requirements so precisely that you can write it down for the computer to do. I work with business stakeholders creating internal…
Your comment underscores a few misconceptions with corporate software.
1. Writing and process flow as you describe are incredibly important. But, many developers can’t write. Writing is a fundamental skill that takes practice to develop and many developers do not independently practice that skill, despite its importance.
2. The web is a multi-faceted discipline. This is the hardest part to being a web developer. Learning to write the code is comparatively trivial. This is also the greatest cause for frustration and failure for people and automagical software alike.
3. Precision of requirements is important but not as important as many junior developers would suggest. The discrepancy largely arises because many developers find writing to that detail challenging themselves and are frustrated when feature delivery fails to match stakeholder expectations. QA and PMs seem to regularly nail this issue without challenge indicating its not the requirements that are ultimately at fault when things move out of alignment.
Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
>On the other hand, I absolutely loathe every single UI that has ever come out of AWS, and there is absolutely no chance I give the editor they've built here a shot without hearing lots of positive reactions first. I agree so much with this. I hate the AWS console UI so, so much and It blows my mind that such a large company can't seem to even get on the same page about what color scheme or menu bar position they wan…
Can someone smarter than me explain why the AWS UI is so off-putting? I also find myself just put off by AWS UIs. I can't even figure out why I hate it so much. Looking at the screenshots though immediately filled me with the sense that this thing would just be awful to use. When I go back to the screenshots to try to find objective things I dislike about the UI, I can't really find anything. It seems to do the stuff…
I think a big part of it is this:
> staring at a spinner spin for far too long.
You probably didn't hate it the first or second time you opened it up. Only after recognizing that many operations are extremely sluggish did you start to build an aversion.
I think the same this can be said about JIRA and many other sluggish, enterprise-y tools. The UI design is typically more-or-less OK, it's the experience of clicking on things and having no idea when it will be done, why it's taking so long, or what a faster alternative is that makes you feel trapped.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
My counterpoint (to your original point) is that it's not about writing code. Making an app like this and putting it online (with roughly the same level of features) requires: * Learning a backend language, like Python * Learning how to design a data model * Learning how to design an admin interface * Managing authentication, security, and performance * Learning HTML, CSS, and Javascript * Learning how to set up a uw…
> I still can't imagine going to the trouble of actually doing all of that if I can just log into HoneyComb and make everything nice and quick and just get it done. That sounds all nice and good until one inevitably runs into limitations of the software. And then it has to be made again, this time from scratch. > bashing it together with Django and deploying it to an EC2 VM is almost definitely not your differentiate…
> But I would never rely on it for a business.
You sir have options. Every place I have ever worked has at least one app that someone hacked together through some combination of PDFs, Excel and Access. This is a tremendous opportunity for those folks. The ones who will never learn to code, never learn to deploy an application and never get enough visibility to have a developer assigned to their project.
For the everyteam, these types of tools are exceptional. I continue to be amazed by what dedicated people pull-off with these no-code solutions.
Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
>On the other hand, I absolutely loathe every single UI that has ever come out of AWS, and there is absolutely no chance I give the editor they've built here a shot without hearing lots of positive reactions first. I agree so much with this. I hate the AWS console UI so, so much and It blows my mind that such a large company can't seem to even get on the same page about what color scheme or menu bar position they wan…
Can someone smarter than me explain why the AWS UI is so off-putting? I also find myself just put off by AWS UIs. I can't even figure out why I hate it so much. Looking at the screenshots though immediately filled me with the sense that this thing would just be awful to use. When I go back to the screenshots to try to find objective things I dislike about the UI, I can't really find anything. It seems to do the stuff…
The UI might not have major aesthetic problems but they could probably be more consistent between services.
I think you might have hit the main issue on the head though, unless you use a service regularly it's difficult to do much without the hefty manuals and while the services may be complex they could make the common or "beginner" paths more obvious.
Having sane defaults where possible and splitting basic and advanced settings could make it more accessible while allowing users to get familiar with the tools. Ideally a good UX should cater to a variety of proficienies and help users learn.
Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I still can't imagine going to the trouble of actually doing all of that if I can just log into HoneyComb and make everything nice and quick and just get it done. That sounds all nice and good until one inevitably runs into limitations of the software. And then it has to be made again, this time from scratch. > bashing it together with Django and deploying it to an EC2 VM is almost definitely not your differentiate…
> But I would never rely on it for a business. You sir have options. Every place I have ever worked has at least one app that someone hacked together through some combination of PDFs, Excel and Access. This is a tremendous opportunity for those folks. The ones who will never learn to code, never learn to deploy an application and never get enough visibility to have a developer assigned to their project. For the every…
> Every place I have ever worked has at least one app that someone hacked together through some combination of PDFs, Excel and Access... I continue to be amazed by what dedicated people pull-off with these no-code solutions.
VBA, SQL, etc, which is probably what these apps are written with, are code though.
Honeycode is a language of it's own too, it's just a trade off between flexibility/power and learning curve.
Re: Amazon Honeycode – build web and mobile apps without writing code
#180It seems like a start, but unless they're supporting a community plugin ecosystem you'll be at the mercy of what their team decides is worth integrating. Maybe it doesn't matter.