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jedsmith wrote: post #68
davidw wrote: post #50

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Stop trying to be all boring and rational. We are busy ecstatically voting up an article in which Zed Shaw says "motherfucker!" numerous times, providing much mirth for all. Next up are funny cat pictures.

I know this goes against the old guard, but I'd much rather laugh at a post like this once in a while than have HN be serious and dry, every day, every submission. That's never going to happen, but I haven't gotten as much amusement out of a HN item and its threads in a long time, and that's of value to me. It's an outright tragedy that any lighthearted submission immediately brings out people replying "flagged!" and…

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jedsmith wrote: post #68
davidw wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop trying to be all boring and rational. We are busy ecstatically voting up an article in which Zed Shaw says "motherfucker!" numerous times, providing much mirth for all. Next up are funny cat pictures.

I know this goes against the old guard, but I'd much rather laugh at a post like this once in a while than have HN be serious and dry, every day, every submission. That's never going to happen, but I haven't gotten as much amusement out of a HN item and its threads in a long time, and that's of value to me. It's an outright tragedy that any lighthearted submission immediately brings out people replying "flagged!" and…

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Post by reinhardt »

jedsmith wrote: post #68
davidw wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop trying to be all boring and rational. We are busy ecstatically voting up an article in which Zed Shaw says "motherfucker!" numerous times, providing much mirth for all. Next up are funny cat pictures.

I know this goes against the old guard, but I'd much rather laugh at a post like this once in a while than have HN be serious and dry, every day, every submission. That's never going to happen, but I haven't gotten as much amusement out of a HN item and its threads in a long time, and that's of value to me. It's an outright tragedy that any lighthearted submission immediately brings out people replying "flagged!" and…

"Kudos to Zed for pulling it off" ? C'mon, he's the prototypical "rockstar programmer", just putting his name out there and a few profanities is enough to push it to the top. Honestly, I don't mind the (debatable) humour of the submission as much as the fact that it's a case of "the message is the messenger". If this was posted by the random Joe P. Rogrammer (a) it wouldn't be #1 post in HN and (b) it wouldn't be welcomed with so many open arms.

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Post by sjs »

zedshaw wrote: post #135
sjs wrote: post #132

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Zed is the ultimate troll whether it's intentional or not. He must spend a lot of time laughing at all the time & attention he gets for doing and saying silly things, things that people end up taking far too seriously. The fact that I'm here commenting on this story saddens me.

I'm just trying to brighten the day of my fellow work-slaves.

Could be that people just aren't looking for the humour and fail to see that you're joking. Maybe you stand out because you tend to write what's on your mind without trying to spare everyone's feelings and that gets people talking, for better and worse.

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Post by davidw »

skunkworks wrote: post #157
tptacek wrote: post #139

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No retreat! No surrender! I'm here watching the battlements keeping the undesirable content out when you can't be. It's what's called "watching your back". I know you'd do the same for me! :| I really do believe this stuff is a slippery slope. It makes the site worse. Just like yesterday's "Apple Says Yes" comment thread. But I made my snarky comment about it, hit my flag button, and now I'm done. I'm not out for a h…

Yes. You are just as welcome to flag this as we are to vote this up, and then we can let democracy sort this out while we go Program, Motherfucker.

"Democracy" would emphatically vote for funny cat pictures.

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Post by davidw »

charlief wrote: post #151
raganwald wrote: post #109

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We scold some for violating the guidelines, and we bless others. That's really the curse of comedy. The whole point of comedy is to be subversive, to sneak in under the radar of "good taste" and "propriety." But it's hard to do that, a lot of the time it gets rejected out of hand, and it seems very inconsistent.

Absolutely, HN has its fair share of inappropriate/bad jokes, but I think it happens more often because the guidelines are fairly agnostic. Comedy is subversive, but the venue is usually not. When a comedian gives a routine on stage, the audience is primed and has certain expectations. When the audience's expectations are not aligned, it is bad for both the comedian and the audience. My limited experiences on HN as a…

> My limited experiences on HN as a junior user have yielded a certain kind of fuzziness as to what is acceptable.

I think that's a good thing. It keeps people on their toes, rather than trotting out the same stupid jokes time and time again. I'll vote for something that's funny in a unique way, but downvote anything smacking of a stupid meme that's been done to death.

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Post by StrawberryFrog »

MartinCron wrote: post #166
oconnore wrote: post #26

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You can't talk to your colleagues without a Scrum meeting? That seems to be a personal issue, not a methodology issue.

That's the thing, Scrum basically assumes that all software teams are so dysfunctional that they won't talk to each other unless and until everyone is watching.

Scrum! It teaches bad teams good habits!

Nothing in scrum stops you talking to anyone at any time. The stand-up makes sure that you have to say a few words to the whole team and other interested parties, daily.

I like to read criticisms of scrum, when they're not straw-man ones.

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Post by ebiester »

charlief wrote: post #151
raganwald wrote: post #109

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We scold some for violating the guidelines, and we bless others. That's really the curse of comedy. The whole point of comedy is to be subversive, to sneak in under the radar of "good taste" and "propriety." But it's hard to do that, a lot of the time it gets rejected out of hand, and it seems very inconsistent.

Absolutely, HN has its fair share of inappropriate/bad jokes, but I think it happens more often because the guidelines are fairly agnostic. Comedy is subversive, but the venue is usually not. When a comedian gives a routine on stage, the audience is primed and has certain expectations. When the audience's expectations are not aligned, it is bad for both the comedian and the audience. My limited experiences on HN as a…

That's easy. It's the Picasso rule -- follow the rules until you understand how to break them.

It is true that you are given more slack when your name is known. Think of it as a corollary to the Picasso rule -- others have to know that you know the rules before you are given more leeway on how to break them.

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