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Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features Is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says

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Re: Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features Is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says

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post #76

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But that is not what the DMCA copyright claim says. It does not complain about redistributing the files of a paid OS. The complaint is explicitly about providing a tool to work around technical restrictions, so "just provided an exe and some patch files" will not make microsoft happy. A common copyright claim of someone sharing copies of proprietary files would not make news. Using the DRM circumvention provision in…

The way I read the complaint[1] there are two separate claims made. The first, distributing the modified ISO, appears to be the core DMCA claim: > BSA has determined that GitHub.com (specifically, content made available on GitHub through the link listed below) is providing access to copyrighted, nonpublic, proprietary information of our member Microsoft. The link leads to copyrighted material pertaining to Microsoft.…

I can see how seeing it as two claims is a valid interpretation.

If we look at claim 2, the term "technical restrictions" is often used as a synonym to DRM in many places. The law text use different words: "(A) to “circumvent a technological measure” means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner".

Without invoking the circumvent clause, claim 2 looks misplaced in a DMCA notice. What aspect of copyright law is being invoked? The only thing left would have to be derivative work. The case law for that is spotty, through blizzard did win one such case if I remember right where a cheating tool enabled players to break the EULA. Blizzard argued that the tool assisted players in creating an illegal derivative work of the wow client, as the tool modified the client in an unlawful way against the conditions in the EULA, and thus the developers of the cheating tool could be held responsible for the creation. BSA could make a similar argument but I don't think they are based on how claim 2 was written.

If we see the DMCA notice as two distinct claims, and we remove claim 2 as being irrelevant in the context of copyright, then what is left is the BSA claim that the repository had copyrighted material and the accused that said they don't. Looking at the linked video myself, it seems that they did copy the installer iso from microsoft. Based on those observations I suspect that Ninjutsu os is simply an unmodified installer bundled with post-install scripts. That might be a copyright infringement, and if so, removing the unmodified installer and make the user download it themselves might resolve the issue. That is, as long as claim 2 is ignored.

As a side note, I would find it somewhat funny if microsoft later claimed that pre- and post install scripts create a derivative work. It has some interesting implication for configuration management utilities and cloud solutions.

Re: Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features Is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says

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post #155

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Nope, I enabled the setting and rebooted and still saw the search results. Does gpupdate /force do something different than what rebooting would do? Also did you do it on Pro boxes with the 2004 update? This behavior of the setting not working only started with 2004.

I'm now running a 2004 updated Pro host with that Group Policy setting and don't see any web search results. I also checked my registry and I don't have that DWORD key. Rebooting will refresh the group policy, so that should have worked. Maybe try also enabling the "Do not allow Web Search" policy which is adjacent in Admin Templates > Windows Components > Search. That seems to be all the configuration I have to make…

I have all 3 of these set to "enabled":

- Do not allow web search

- Don't search the web or display web results in Search

- Don't search the web or display web results over metered connections

According to the help menu for the middle one it states: "If you enable this policy setting, queries won't be performed on the web and web results won't be displayed when a user performs a query in Search.".

Although Microsoft's official documentation states these only apply to Enterprise edition based on: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/client-management/g...

You can see that setting listed on the bottom of the page, but it's not super clear because it's referencing an older version of Windows in those docs.

Maybe you have another tool blocking it, or you've blocked it at the /etc/hosts level in the past?

Re: Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features Is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says

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That's so wrong it's almost painful. Copyright is the only reason why anyone pays attention to the license associated with compiled software. What would be the point of a license for an artefact not protected by copyright? It also is absurd to suggest that there is artistic expression in source code but not in a direct translation of that same artistic expression. And it's also worth remembering that binaries contain…

Actually there was a court case that agreed with my reasons, and that was the law initially. It looks like object code became copyrightable in the US in 1983 through a few court cases: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/18ba/427b7142a61534006f4fda... Don't know about other countries.

An assertion that one court somewhere on the planet erred in a spectacularly ridiculous way isn’t evidence of anything.

Re: Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features Is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says

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post #156

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How do you have a machine download updates and install them without tracking that it is downloading updates and installing them successfully?

Every Linux distro manages this. You have the client machine determine which updates it needs, as it has access both to its own state, and to the package repository's manifest.

0 Linux distros manage this. Have you ever ran an apt or yum repo?

Re: Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features Is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says

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post #174

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Every Linux distro manages this. You have the client machine determine which updates it needs, as it has access both to its own state, and to the package repository's manifest.

0 Linux distros manage this. Have you ever ran an apt or yum repo?

If you have something substantive to say, then say it.

In what way does apt, say, not behave as I have described?

Re: Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features Is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says

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post #139

If somebody still wondered, why Microsoft acquired Github, this article provides the answer. They bought the ability to control major distribution point of non-proprietary software and shut down at will any perceived threats.

They paid $7.5B to delete code repositories? What about all the other non github repository hosts, not forgetting self-hosted, torrents etc.

> They paid $7.5B to delete code repositories?

As the article shows, yes.

> What about all the other non github repository hosts, not forgetting self-hosted, torrents etc.

They are harder to find and can be closed without difficulty, unlike a github repo

Re: Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features Is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says

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post #139

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They paid $7.5B to delete code repositories? What about all the other non github repository hosts, not forgetting self-hosted, torrents etc.

> They paid $7.5B to delete code repositories? As the article shows, yes. > What about all the other non github repository hosts, not forgetting self-hosted, torrents etc. They are harder to find and can be closed without difficulty, unlike a github repo

What makes you think pre-aquisition Github wouldn't have taken this down?

Re: Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features Is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says

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post #174

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0 Linux distros manage this. Have you ever ran an apt or yum repo?

If you have something substantive to say, then say it. In what way does apt, say, not behave as I have described?

I mentioned your repo knows everything you have installed. How is that not substantive?

There's not some kind of zero-knowledge k-anonymity (https://blog.cloudflare.com/validating-leaked-passwords-with...) type feature. It simply doesn't exist. Apt doesn't use it, yum doesn't use it, pacman doesn't use it. They all know everything.

If you wanted more detail, you could have asked. Instead you said my comment had no substance.

Please read this very carefully: GFY.

Re: Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features Is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says

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Actually there was a court case that agreed with my reasons, and that was the law initially. It looks like object code became copyrightable in the US in 1983 through a few court cases: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/18ba/427b7142a61534006f4fda... Don't know about other countries.

An assertion that one court somewhere on the planet erred in a spectacularly ridiculous way isn’t evidence of anything.

Similarly, asserting a court erred in a spectacularly ridiculous way is not an argument.

Note that before 1989, rules in USA were quite different. Instead of: everything is IP, almost forever - explicit copyright registration was required for protection of works.

While object code was ruled as copyrightable for pretty obvious reasons, initial rulings seems quite consistent with law at the time. Current 100+ year copyright terms might seem similarly ridiculous to copyrights founders.

Re: Removing “Annoying” Windows 10 Features Is a DMCA Violation, Microsoft Says

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post #19
post #14

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Power users customize their own installation, they don't download a modified ISO from Yandex. This isn't aimed at power user but at regular users who don't understand what was done to it or the risk of downloading your OS from an untrusted source. It's so easy to turn them into rootkit encrusted ISOs and just call them "NEW! Updated Ninjutsu OS v2.0".

I don't mean for this particular tool. I mean for the fact you have less and less to say with regards to your installation. I have been Windows user for many years but around 4-5 years ago I got fed up with the fact Microsoft decides on a daily basis to change completely the stuff I own and not let me have anything to say about it. I don't want to have any Live accounts to log in to my machine, I don't want significa…

See, this bit about the Live account is where you and I differ. It's now so much easier just to have my Live account that mirrors my Local User account, except I use a PIN to login instead of a password and my Win10 license is bound to my Live account so if I need to reinstall and reactivate I don't have to screw around with manually typing keys or having to call MS to activate, it simply works.
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