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Re: I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC

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Post by amiga_500 »

redis_mlc wrote: post #120
majormajor wrote: post #62

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This isn't "hope" that I'm expressing. This is me saying that *if we never try, we'll never succeed, at ANYTHING, not just at this. You're convinced hard equals impossible. Which is definitely part of why the US is so incompetent when it comes to this (or healthcare in general). People don't care that we suck. I just find that sad and horrifying. Let's say you take NYC, where the cases have been tailing off, and you…

> You're convinced hard equals impossible. No I'm convinced it's pointless because herd immunity is inevitable and essentially free. Testing somebody in the morning, then them going to the grocery store in the afternoon, is pointless. Testing takes a significant amount of resources per test, which we don't have to do 300 million tests per week. If you walk through the problem at this point, there is no solution for t…

I've had covid. Will I be immune in 6months? 12? 18?

We don't know if herd immunity is even a thing.

Re: I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC

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Post by amiga_500 »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #90
tomrod wrote: post #49

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The US did not lock down. A portion opted to stay at home if they could afford it, several industries were deemed essential (often with ridiculous inclusions), and the brunt is being borne by folks in poverty. We had between 40% and 60% reduction in urban mobility, much less in rural areas, and an increase in stay at home rates on par with a census block groups median household income. Then we re-opened too early. Th…

There is totally an endgame. Lockdown worked in NYC. That is huge. NYC is crushing the curve. 1 in 600 people in NYC have died of COVID (NOT GOOD). However, it is estimated that 1 in 5 is already immune. That's great news! A huge step towards herd immunity.

Will they be immune in one year? Two?

Re: I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC

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Post by redis_mlc »

dannyw wrote: post #118
gvjddbnvdrbv wrote: post #68

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-polio_syndrome Covid is a new disease. Will it have long term effects?

Coronavirus are not a new type of disease though.

No human vaccines have ever been tested for any coronavirus.

Re: I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC

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Post by m4rtink »

40four wrote: post #63
m4rtink wrote: post #32

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This is what I thin many forget when they speak against lockdown and for "heard immunity" - that this would not only result in a huge ammount of unnecessary deaths, but also pretty much wear out if not outright kill a signifficant part of medical personel. It's basically condemning them to working nonstop for months if not years, watching people die all day long & being in infection danger at all times while at work.…

I think it is more complicated than that. Almost all states very early on had some level of 'lock-down', stay at home order, or what have you. This has limited movement of people, and as a side effect, or maybe even direct order from governors, closed down/ limited many business. Including hospitals. Hospitals in America, believe it nor not, are for profit businesses. It is un-intuitive, but many of them are in serio…

Well, that's pretty screwed up. For comparison Czech hospitals also scrapped anything non essential during the worst part of the local outbreak, both to have capacity for treating coronavirus patients and to reduce the chance of infection spreading through hospitals. At the same time a strong lockdown was done country wide.

This was apparently effective with cases limited to a few clusters at the moment & most of the lockdown restrictions removed by now.

Were the hospitals affected ? They did report funding shortfals right after the lockdown due to all the cancelled elective procedures, so the ministry of health simply gave them extra money to cover the lockdown loses. And at the moment most hospitals are back to normal workflow.

Also, the people involved in directly handling the infection got bonuses as a thank you for doing the needed but dangerous work.

Re: I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC

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Post by gizmo »

adrianN wrote: post #158
mkagenius wrote: post #66

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Lets just say every one is just as clueless about this virus as WHO or CDC or Fauci or whoever. Its just a failure of our not so advanced research in this field that we are in this situation. I can't believe everyone is just so clueless.

You are blatantly wrong. There are of course many things we don't understand about the new virus yet, but of course the experts on infectious diseases know a lot more than the average person. Why is is such a common trope to discredit whole fields of research just because they can't provide all the answers, or gasp revise their answers as more data comes in?

Your suggestion that there is any kind of scientific consensus at this point is wrong; the experts are still very much divided. And right now the most prominent and most frequently cited experts are those that made one wrong prediction after another.

Sometimes the media cites the wrong experts. Like with "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction" and "Hillary has a 99% chance of winning the general". In those cases, too, the experts that disagreed with the mainstream view got basically ignored until it was too late.

Re: I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC

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Post by Spooky23 »

40four wrote: post #63
m4rtink wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I thin many forget when they speak against lockdown and for "heard immunity" - that this would not only result in a huge ammount of unnecessary deaths, but also pretty much wear out if not outright kill a signifficant part of medical personel. It's basically condemning them to working nonstop for months if not years, watching people die all day long & being in infection danger at all times while at work.…

I think it is more complicated than that. Almost all states very early on had some level of 'lock-down', stay at home order, or what have you. This has limited movement of people, and as a side effect, or maybe even direct order from governors, closed down/ limited many business. Including hospitals. Hospitals in America, believe it nor not, are for profit businesses. It is un-intuitive, but many of them are in serio…

It's weird that this isn't more widely known. Alot of my friends are in the medical field, and they are taking a beating personally. Stuff like long term 15-20% pay reductions and furloughs in addition to layoffs.

Not only are hospitals for profit, but their part of cartel-like health networks. For some jobs, its hard to jump because 80% of the work is affiliated with two companies regionally.

Re: I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC

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Post by lebuffon »

rscho wrote: post #144
ansible wrote: post #135

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>> the US - the country that went to the moon, that invented the internet, that built a military capability that literally saved the world in ww2 > two of those are in part result of propaganda Eh, no. We (the USA) did really go to the moon, though I know some USA citizens dispute that. It was really USA universities and corporations (with DARPA funding) that built the foundations of Ethernet, TCP/IP and the Internet…

Wow incredible! Apparently, the USA have also developed the world's most potent propaganda machine.

That has always been the case. George Washington and the cherry tree comes to mind. And so it began.

Sometime near the end of the cold war I realized that the West's propaganda machine was in fact better than the Soviet version. Nobody in the USSR believed "Pravda" but everybody believed the NBC Nightly News. :)

One might argue however that we need such a mechanism since in 2020, as the Scots might say:

"People can ni' agree on the color o' Shite"

Re: I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC

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Post by giantDinosaur »

throwaway1777 wrote: post #85
wahern wrote: post #33

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Clothing is probably the least problematic thing. Every time some nurse or doctor uses a keyboard I want to scream. I regularly see doctors use the keyboard, wash their hands, and then use the keyboard again before beginning an examine. Recently I've started to see plastic covers on the keyboards, as if that mattered relative to the order of touching things. Realistically, cross-contamination in the hospital is almos…

The plastic cover can be taken off and washed (in theory) so it should be much less dirty.

I'm sure there's some study indicating that, despite best protocol, many of those keyboard covers are biological weapons equal to any naked keyboard.

Re: I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC

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Post by redis_mlc »

amiga_500 wrote: post #171
redis_mlc wrote: post #120

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> You're convinced hard equals impossible. No I'm convinced it's pointless because herd immunity is inevitable and essentially free. Testing somebody in the morning, then them going to the grocery store in the afternoon, is pointless. Testing takes a significant amount of resources per test, which we don't have to do 300 million tests per week. If you walk through the problem at this point, there is no solution for t…

I've had covid. Will I be immune in 6months? 12? 18? We don't know if herd immunity is even a thing.

So far it appears yes, you will be immune.

Re: I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC

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Post by Spooky23 »

geekybiz wrote: post #138
distant_hat wrote: post #115

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Lest someone think this is a US thing, this is true in India as well which has a fairly different medical system. Hospitals are struggling to stay afloat and many nurses and ancillary staff have been laid off. Doctors in India are typically independent contractors and not employed by hospitals. Not only are no non-essential activities happening, many essential ones are also being pushed back and people are dying as a…

Am from India & agree on this. Lockdowns helped slow the spread but aren't the perpetual answer. And the side-effects of lock-down (like essential services being pushed back) are taking lives. When evaluating lock-down's pros & cons, it always isn't life vs economy. It often also is Covid fatalities vs other fatalities. Atleast in India, that's happening.

Agreed.

People on the prudent/cautious camp are missing that lockdowns are really last-resort, expensive controls at the bottom of the pyramid, used when better controls fail.

We can't just netflix and chill for the next two years. But we can't just pretend nothing is wrong either!

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