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IBM Cloud was down, as well as their status page

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Re: IBM Cloud was down, as well as their status page

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Post by peterwwillis »

po wrote: post #135
dang wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN ran on a box at Softlayer until early 2018 or so. This makes me think that the title of this post (which was submitted as "IBM Cloud down as well as their status page which looks to be hosted there") could at some point have been "IBM Cloud down as well as their status page which looks to be hosted there as well as the forum where people post these things which also looks to be hosted there".

If it was a BGP issue, it's not a problem of where the status page is hosted but instead that you just can't get to it via that name no matter where it's hosted, right?

If by "name" you mean hostname, not really. If you have a domain with multiple nameservers in multiple countries on multiple providers, and your site is similarly globally distributed, at least a few people on the internet will always be able to pull up your site. So at least some of your clients will be able to resolve a domain address from at least some of your nameservers and connect to at least some of your web servers. Geo-IP and Anycast are also really useful here.

edit: It's possible that you could take out an entire TLD and make it impossible to resolve domains on that TLD once all the cached records expire. But that kind of targeted attack would not be possible with a BGP error, unless it was a very specifically crafted BGP error happening over a very long period of time (weeks-months-years depending on the record TTLs).

Re: IBM Cloud was down, as well as their status page

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Post by darkteflon »

atYevP wrote: post #155
bigiain wrote: post #110

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This is something I'd totally read. (You should headhunt the guy at BackBlaze who does their hard drive stats blog posts, and release this data analysis quarterly!)

Yev from Backblaze here -> please do not do this, we really like him.

Only on HN.

Re: IBM Cloud was down, as well as their status page

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Post by paranoidrobot »

jgalt212 wrote: post #134
paranoidrobot wrote: post #125

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My previous job used Softlayer heavily. Two of the biggest advantages were: Price for hardware. As a base price, their bare-metal gear was significantly cheaper than equivalent-specced AWS gear (if it was even possible to get something like that). We managed to snag quite a few 'interesting' configurations of things at various times that you just couldn't get at all in AWS. Things like PCI SSDs, very large RAM config…

I really would like to see an AWS memo which maps out common use cases and expected costs (selling points) vs actual use cases and actual costs (pain points).

I don't think there's one good answer for everyone that's going to be right.

I think the biggest issue is that far too many people assume that the AWS Savings stories are universally applicable, and that it's safe to assume AWS is going to be the cheap option.

I'm sure there are folks for whom AWS is the cheap option, but it wasn't at my last job, and it's not for my current one (even though they are using it).

Re: IBM Cloud was down, as well as their status page

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Post by dang »

ipsum2 wrote: post #166
dang wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN ran on a box at Softlayer until early 2018 or so. This makes me think that the title of this post (which was submitted as "IBM Cloud down as well as their status page which looks to be hosted there") could at some point have been "IBM Cloud down as well as their status page which looks to be hosted there as well as the forum where people post these things which also looks to be hosted there".

Where does HN run now?

M5. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16076041

Re: IBM Cloud was down, as well as their status page

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Post by kortilla »

anon102010 wrote: post #160

A quick check of cloudflare's isbgpsafeyet page IBM Cloud - unsafe At least AWS signs their routes I think. If you can't even sign your own routes - hard to have a ton of pity.

Signing routes doesn’t mean others reject unsigned routes. AWS is just as vulnerable to hijacking as anyone.

Re: IBM Cloud was down, as well as their status page

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Post by po »

peterwwillis wrote: post #171
po wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was a BGP issue, it's not a problem of where the status page is hosted but instead that you just can't get to it via that name no matter where it's hosted, right?

If by "name" you mean hostname, not really. If you have a domain with multiple nameservers in multiple countries on multiple providers, and your site is similarly globally distributed, at least a few people on the internet will always be able to pull up your site. So at least some of your clients will be able to resolve a domain address from at least some of your nameservers and connect to at least some of your web s…

ok, that makes sense but you'd still at least have: if the site is down due to BGP then so is the status page that is on the same domain.

I guess I'm just calling out the people who are making fun of them for having their status page dependent on the same hardware it's monitoring when it's not clear that's the case just because they are both down?

I would suppose if it's a different TLD domain, then it would be more likely to conclude that.

Re: IBM Cloud was down, as well as their status page

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Post by nihil75 »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #53

So what are HNers using IBM Cloud for and where do you see that it has an edge over AWS offerings (where an overlap exists, obviously)? (I figure either you’re in devops and you are putting out fires too busy to read this thread or you’re not and your work is halted because of the incident so you might have time to read and reply ;)

I like OpenWhisk which is the basis for their serverless compute offering. Has orchestration/state-machine functionality that makes it superior to GCP Cloud Functions, and uses Docker containers which makes it more flexible than AWS Lambda.

I also really like CouchDB which IBM Cloudant is based on.

Is that enough for me to use IBM cloud? no. not really.

Re: IBM Cloud was down, as well as their status page

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Post by mh- »

jedberg wrote: post #79
whyleyc wrote: post #70

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Totally unrelated Jeremy, but did you know the SSL cert on https://minops.com/ has expired? (Was interested to see what you were up to these days, which is how I stumbled on it).

Lol yes. It's intentional. It stops spam bots from trying to sign up, since we aren't open for signups yet. But don't worry, you're not the first to mention it. I suppose I should just fix it and deal with the spam like normal. I liked the unintended effect of cutting down on spam. I guess a lot of spam bots are written on top of standard libraries that reject bad certs. :) Also, this was ironically a great way to pu…

Minops is neat, first I've heard of it.

(at least partly tongue-in-cheek) will it support DDL too? can I INSERT infra? or is this a read-only endeavor? :)

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