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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by acobster »

tinyhouse wrote: post #120

What happened to Floyd is horrible and police abuse is a real thing. I never understood why police officers in the US have no common sense. I recall many incidents where they shoot and kill people trying to escape (so no threat to them). I'm happy the public is doing something about it. However, I'm also annoyed by the stupidity of many people who blindly yell racism. Not so long ago there was a naked black male (Har…

How does nakedness justify escalating the situation to voilence? "The law is the law" is just an excuse.

When people talk about systemic racism they're talking about how the system operates as a whole. As I've commented elsewhere, people need to educate themselves about systemic racism in this country.

"So You Want to Talk about Race" by Ijeoma Oluo or "Me and White Supremacy" by Layla Saad are good places to start.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by pionar »

monocasa wrote: post #160
pionar wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cops can hold you for some amount of time, generally around 24 hours without cause. This is simply not true. Police may not keep you detained if they do not have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime. However, in real life, they do this sometimes, even though it's been ruled unconstitutional. They do occasionally face repercussions. Thousands of civil rights lawsuits are settled qui…

> This is simply not true. Police may not keep you detained if they do not have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime. However, in real life, they do this sometimes, even though it's been ruled unconstitutional. They don't have to charge you, so they don't have to prove it. > They don't suffer consequences enough, though, and depend on citizens not knowing that what the police are doi…

They actually do have to articulate their PC. If they don't, again, you can sue for civil rights violations. Not saying it doesn't happen, it does, but it's not correct to say they're "allowed to".

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kfrzcode »

newacct583 wrote: post #4

Not an argument for this site I guess. But this is what happens when you have political leaders picking sides in violence. Trump literally tweeted "when the looting starts the shooting starts" (not before this event, of course -- it's an example). You think rhetoric like that doesn't have the effect of empowering police to abuse their power against people they don't like?

Where's the HN-for-politicking? (not /r/*)

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by elil17 »

kfrzcode wrote: post #141
JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

Edit: I'm wrong, the video I had seen was slightly abridged. The video camera turns on while they were (likely) already told they will be arrested. They were perhaps ordered to move and did not move. The National Guard and state troopers in that particular area ( Downvoters: please add comment why, or else this isn't discourse

Actually they had been filming continuously, and they had been previously told by police to stand where they were standing, and they had received no new instructions from the police since then, and there was an all-white group of reporters standing in a similar position on the other side of the police who did not get arrested. I understand the desire to come up with an explanation for what happened, I really do, but the fact of the matter is that police arrested these reporters for no reason.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by 101404 »

ponsin wrote: post #20

from the description of the YouTube video > Black correspondent Omar Jimenez had just shown a protester being arrested when about half a dozen white police officers surrounded him. Is there any reason to assume racism? it looks like two other people in the camera crew got arrested and they don't look black. It looks to me like CNN is trying to play the race card to stir controversy when there are millions of other mo…

> Is there any reason to assume racism?

Increases clicks. More readers/viewers. More money.

Sure, it destroys society just a little more.

But hey, money!

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by monocasa »

kfrzcode wrote: post #156
monocasa wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just watch the video; it was a live broadcast of the whole encounter. They were told to move, asked where was OK to move, the cops didn't give an answer (ostensibly communicating with superiors over radio), and then they were simply arrested. There's no additional facts here.

Edit because thread depth: Y'all were right, the footage I saw earlier was clipped after the girl had ran. That's enough of trying to see all sides for me today. This week is hell. ----------------------- It was not a live broadcast of the "whole encounter" it was a live broadcast that started in medias res after the reporters were clearly surrounded by multiple officers of the law. Not to mention that for the hour p…

They were released 30 minutes later, with the governor apologizing saying there was no reason for them to be arrested.

You're absolutely on the wrong side of this. On the wrong side of illegal arrests of the press. Of fucking CNN literally live broadcasting.

> That statement is what fng hurts me to read - it's a mentality that whatever is presented is it, facts, reality, no questioning needed.

I watched it live.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by maskedinvader »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #112
maskedinvader wrote: post #8

Isn't this situational irony ? reporters covering the events that were a result of unreasonable police actions themselves were subject to the unreasonable actions of the police.

Irony would be if the police had been arrested. This is just a continuation of bad behavior.

yup I think you are right, Ive always had trouble identifying situational irony.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by throwaway894345 »

aljg wrote: post #143
throwaway894345 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These seem like flagrant violations of constitutional rights; I would be interested to hear from a lawyer what kind of legal liability the police (as a department and as individual bad-apple officers) are opening themselves up to by behaving this way. Hopefully justice is served and constitutional rights are protected.

I don't believe they are opening themselves up to any legal liability. See [1] and links for a disturbing list of recent examples of police receiving qualified immunity. One example from the article: > On May 18, the court turned away three of these appeals, including a jaw-dropping case in which police were granted qualified immunity after literally stealing $225,000. (There is no clearly established right not to be…

There's not enough liability, perhaps, but there's certainly some. Here[0] is a list of police department settlements and another[1] of individual police officers being tried and/or convicted for recent high-profile killings. Note that media coverage is inherently sensational and therefore not reflective of reality--just because the media gives much more attention to killings than to the legal repercussions doesn't mean that the latter doesn't exist.

In this particular instance, surely CNN has a strong case against the Minneapolis police department?

[0]: https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/1712-police-settl...

[1]: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cases-police-officers-ch...

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by JSavageOne »

101404 wrote: post #140
JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

Not even when your country murdered half a million Iraqis? Or when your country continuously murders thousands of innocent people with "drone strikes" for more than a decade already? Or is that nothing to "feel ashamed" about, because those murdered victims were not "American citizens"?

I was in elementary school when that happened so I wasn't paying attention to politics at the time. Regardless my point isn't to compare tragedies, but to highlight the absurdity of this, and the sad state of the U.S. right now.
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