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Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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> affirmed that private websites are not public spaces and social media companies don't have First Amendment obligations FWIW this is only thematically related, the order concerns the distinction between immune or non-immune activities under Section 230. If you publish something defamatory on your blog, and you operate it, you may be liable. Section 230 is there to say that if a website merely retransmits your public…

It's kind of a ridiculous idea. Before S230 that was the case: Executing any editorial control risked you being concluded to be the publisher. Online providers said this is bullshit, we want be able to remove garbage -- lies, obscene material, defamation, etc. If moderating makes us publishers over everything on our site and legally liable, we can't do that. Make us immune so we can clean up the worst of things, and…

On the other hand, there must be a limit on the amount of "moderation" you're allowed to perform before becoming a publisher. If you start labelling content as misleading (but don't remove it) or even if you privilege certain content instead of another (for example, you privilege social media posts advertising a product because it increases your revenue) then you could be considered a publisher.

Let's put in another way: publishers used to produce content (as in select, solicit, remunerate) to further their interests (financial, but sometimes also political, or cultural). Now the big social networks don't need to produce the content, but they can tap into such an enormous amount of it that they can limit themselves to shaping it. Promote certain posts, reduce the visibility of others. The overall effect is the same. You could probably make Facebook or Twitter in a great cultural publications just by tweaking the algorithm that determines the visibility of the posts.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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post #72

Sometimes I wonder why Twitter doesn't just ban his account like they would any other troll on the internet.

I'm not sure if you mean this seriously, or in an exasperated but joking manner. If you are serious, it's because Trump has done more for the legitimacy and usage of Twitter than any engineer, businessperson, or celebrity other than Dorsey & cofounders. To be clear: Twitter may take a tough official stance against Trump, but behind closed doors he is the MVP.

Twitter stock 2013-2020 [1] vs. S&P 500 [2] supports your claim. My take is its a combination of political divisiveness in the US alongside larger influences (i.e. Trump) inflating audiences / ad. revenue.

[1]:https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TWTR/twitter/stock...

[2]: https://www.macrotrends.net/2488/sp500-10-year-daily-chart

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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post #32

Really curious to hear the rational from supposedly small government republicans

I'll take a stab at it.

The government should only be as large as the entities threatening it's citizens rights.

The scale of "small" is relative, especially when dealing with large multinational corporations.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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post #13

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Democrat is not an adjective.

It's a common usage, but mainly among non-Democrats. And it's not a compliment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

You’re barking up the wrong tree. I wrote “democratic,” thought it looked wrong as it seemed more the adjective of “Democracy” rather than “member of the Democratic Party,” didn’t want to look it up on my phone because I cannot multitask for the life of me on my iPhone, and there you go.

Anyway, you do realize that the very fact that I was linking to "here's what someone in a position to challenge or at least refuse to enforce this inanity" implies that I'm scarcely trying to side with the party backing the trigger-happy president, right?

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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I think that’s a simplistic view. No one is arguing Twitter is comparable to a store with a display window. The reality is that Tweets are broadcasted to billions of people. It’s a new reality. It’s a newspaper where anyone and everyone is authoring anything, including presidents, and with the roll of a die, the message is amplified to a multiple of the expected audience. Twitter may technically be a private platform…

Newspapers have restricted what they publish for centuries. They don't allow libellous, defamatory, salacious or inappropriate comments for example. So it sounds 'new tech' hasn't really changed anything.

Newspapers hire and pay people to write for them and exercise editorial control on everything that's published.

That's very different from, say, a public restroom where people write on the walls. The owner of the restroom is not responsible for what people write on their walls.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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post #32

Really curious to hear the rational from supposedly small government republicans

To play devils advocate, isn't this a case of _removing_ a law? Sounds like a reduction to me.

Removing a law isn’t the same as reducing governmental power. In this case removing 230 would make what goes on Twitter mostly a matter for the courts, which would be a massive increase in the governments ability to police speech.

The power and scope of the third branch shouldn’t be ignored, and “conservative” in the judicial sense is usually about reducing the scope of life that’s subject to the court’s control.

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post #42

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As much as there ever really were "small government republicans" there certainly aren't any today. "Owning the libs" is the only reason the current batch of conservatives gets out of bed in the morning. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nratv-dan-bongino-my-life-is-...

> Owning the libs We should call what it is. They working to make the lives of other US citizens as miserable as they can. Whoever does this is working against their own country. This is unpatriotic.

> make the lives of other US citizens as miserable as they can

The main tool that populism leverages is anger. It is true on both sides of the political spectrum.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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You can already sue them. For example, if Fox runs a segment claiming that you (gulli1010) are a murderer, you can sue them for slander (with or without this executive order). If someone tweets that you are a murderer, you can't sue Twitter (or rather, if you do, Twitter will be protected by Section 230). However, suppose Twitter announces the following policy: "Any tweet which calls someone a murderer, shall be dele…

People should look into the Seth Rich lawsuit and Ed Butowsky. Trump forgets his crowd is the one who constantly panders conspiracy theories like PizzaGate and QAnon. This will effectively take them down entirely.

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Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

#179
post #65

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>It really is a public web space that is operated by a private company No, it isn't, any more than a store is a public space because it has windows the public can see into. You have to sign up for a Twitter account and accept their terms of service to post on the site. It's a private platform run by a private company for its own private business interests.

You have to pay the old telephone company and it's a lot more private communication than Twitter. Yet they had common carrier statis, which is how we should want ISPs regulated. Where twitter and friends fit simply hasn't been defined yet.

Because you need a phone to phone someone, call an ambulance or the police. You need an ISP to get to the internet.

You don't need Twitter.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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post #32

Really curious to hear the rational from supposedly small government republicans

I'm not a republican, but people on this site might have a hard time making the distinction, so here's my take:

1. These protections shouldn't be necessary in the first place. The first amendment should make most copyright enforcement, libel suits, etc. illegal. Of course, that's not the world we live in.

2. Freedom of association (being able to turn people away from your business) is absolutely a fundamental right, but I have zero sympathy for progressives when they get screwed on this, because they've done more than anyone in US history to eliminate freedom of association. They made this bed, now they have to lie in it. When you give the government the power to force people to work with parties they don't want to, obviously that's going to turn around and bite you in the ass at some point when you lose control of the institutions that decide how you're allowed to choose who you work with.

So, on net, this sucks and I wish it was very different, but I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people who brought this upon themselves.

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