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Re: Twitter tags Trump tweet with fact-checking warning

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Post by jolux » Wed, May 27, 2020, 1:17 AM UTC

henriquez wrote: post #152

jolux wrote: post #93

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I'm not sure why you think there's an intended effect here other than "maybe get a few people who are more on the fence to read something real and make it look like Twitter is Doing Something TM." I would hardly be surprised if it succeeded at those things.

“The facts” on mail-in ballots are mostly opinions though. It’s presumptuous of a tech company to insert themselves into public discourse to correct what they perceive as wrongthink, and it invites a dangerous situation where a few tech companies can enforce discourse that suits their political biases. Just because people may agree with them in this case doesn’t make it a good idea long term. To me this looks like a…

The facts about voter fraud aren’t opinions, though, and the fact is that it’s extremely rare. What reason do we have to expect that mail-in ballots will make it common to the extent it influences an election?

Re: Twitter tags Trump tweet with fact-checking warning

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Post by kasey_junk » Wed, May 27, 2020, 1:17 AM UTC

throwaway122378 wrote: post #116

kasey_junk wrote: post #20

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That story is literally about someone hitting a voting machine over and over in person. Bad troll is bad.

Thanks for picking on specifics. The evidence is clear and endless. Mail in voting is susceptible to more fraud. Period. https://www.dailybreeze.com/government-and-politics/20161103...

Lol that story doesn’t show mail in voter fraud either. It shows a systems issue that’s being investigated by the proper authorities with no votes counted.

You really are bad at this. Here let me help you. The Heritage foundation has a database of proven voter fraud (all forms) https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/datab...

They capture a little more than 300 examples of voter fraud (all forms) in a year.

Crib from them going forward.

Re: Twitter tags Trump tweet with fact-checking warning

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 27, 2020, 1:17 AM UTC

2019-nCoV wrote: post #129

canada_dry wrote: post #114

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> Every single aspect of life that cannot be rigorously tested under the scientific method is destined to become a partisan topic. Remind me again how rigorously testing under a scientific method has quelled any misinformation these days??

Do you have a contrary example?

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Re: Twitter tags Trump tweet with fact-checking warning

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Post by CapricornNoble » Wed, May 27, 2020, 1:17 AM UTC

krapp wrote: post #159

CapricornNoble wrote: post #151

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Yeah, this administration failing to move the conversation/information dissemination to government-run platforms is mindblowing to me. Setup a Syncloud node and have the President tell everyone to follow him on Diaspora. Get high-profile supporters (Kanye) to parrot the message and also cross-post their content. Trump has incredible reach and influence as a social media personality (witness HK protesters carrying Tru…

This is a man who wants to retrofit the carrier fleet to use steam powered catapults because he found all the computers confusing[0]. You think anyone would even bother trying to explain any of that to him? He uses Twitter because it's the only thing he's comfortable with. [0] https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/28/trump-aircraft-car...

Which puts the onus on the Whitehouse IT department to produce a UX that is seamless enough for even Trump to transition to.

Our EM aircraft catapults are crap right now, although this is due more to "concurrent development" than an inherent failure of the concept. Trump seems to intuitively grasp certain problems (China = Public Enemy #1, lax border security, etc...) but then draws really odd conclusions on how to solve them, and doubles down with the most retarded cringe-worthy rhetoric imaginable.

Re: Twitter tags Trump tweet with fact-checking warning

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 27, 2020, 1:22 AM UTC

Rebelgecko wrote: post #28

Trump is currently tweeting about how this warning message is taking away his 1st amendment rights to free speech, and constitutes interference in the 2020 election. Can't wait for these tweets to get the same warning. [1]: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12654275381401886...

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Re: Twitter tags Trump tweet with fact-checking warning

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Post by drak0n1c » Wed, May 27, 2020, 1:22 AM UTC

fzeroracer wrote: post #132

2019-nCoV wrote: post #101

This is not going to end well. Every single aspect of life that cannot be rigorously tested under the scientific method is destined to become a partisan topic. There is no way to be sure if mail-in ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent.

Considering mail-in voting has been put through the ringer in multiple states (both red and blue!) with very little voter fraud statistically, it seems like these days the partisan topics consist of reality vs Trump. This is something that's been statistically proven to work and yet the amount of people I see leaping to his very ignorant claims of this topic here is disappointing. Can you back up the claims that mail…

A judge in Philly was just convicted of fraudulent ballot stuffing in multiple elections. He actually added enough votes to swing multiple results. If we can question the security vulnerabilities of electronic voting machines, why can’t we also question the implementation of mail-in voting and how it can enable similar ballot-filling and stuffing?

https://www.inquirer.com/news/voter-fraud-philadelphia-ward-...

Re: Twitter tags Trump tweet with fact-checking warning

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Post by jolux » Wed, May 27, 2020, 1:23 AM UTC

Orou wrote: post #154

acbart wrote: post #18

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I disagree, giving certain folks a platform only raises them up and legitimatizes them. Didn't the Reddit folks discover that shutting down hateful subreddits prevents them from popping back up effectively? I believe this is the citation[1]. [1] http://comp.social.gatech.edu/papers/cscw18-chand-hate.pdf

> I disagree, giving certain folks a platform only raises them up and legitimatizes them. Who do you believe should have final say over which person or group of people can have a platform, and who can't? Should it be whoever owns that particular platform? Should it be the government? Should it be the court of public opinion? I've yet to see a compelling argument for deplatforming that answers this question, because w…

The point of deplatforming is not to change the minds of true believers in extremist causes, it’s to hinder their ability to recruit.

Re: Twitter tags Trump tweet with fact-checking warning

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Post by klyrs » Wed, May 27, 2020, 1:25 AM UTC

blhack wrote: post #158

klyrs wrote: post #143

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What a bad-faith take. Technically, no, twitter's statement is not a fact about the future, but merely a fact about California's policies. In the utmost of pedantry, it should read "According to California's election policies, ballots are only to be sent to registered voters at the addresses listed on their registration ." But if we're really drilling into semantics, you posted a link about dead people on the registr…

A multinational company just decided to put their finger on the scale of a US election. I think that decision and the way it was made invites scrutiny.

Well, that's certainly Trump's characterization of the situation. Fox News has also been fact-checking him lately and he's similarly outraged. Bottom line, the Founders' remedy to false speech by government officials is the freedom to discuss those lies in an open forum.

Re: Twitter tags Trump tweet with fact-checking warning

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Post by jolux » Wed, May 27, 2020, 1:26 AM UTC

godelski wrote: post #113

jolux wrote: post #97

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I'm still not seeing the edit, but honestly Fox News viewers seeing CBS as substantively representing the left in any capacity is a large part of the problem here. Fortunately not everyone who matters believes only Fox News and nothing else.

The edit was "by Fox News viewers" which was previously implicit. To them these are hard left, but to moderates and the left they aren't. It is a matter of perspective. > but honestly Fox News viewers seeing CBS as substantively representing the left in any capacity is a large part of the problem here. This is something I agree with and is actually the crux of my post.

Hmmm, okay. I missed your point then. My bad.

Re: Twitter tags Trump tweet with fact-checking warning

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Post by sfj » Wed, May 27, 2020, 1:29 AM UTC

krapp wrote: post #156

Soulsbane wrote: post #146

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Exactly! He didn't win the popular vote.

The popular vote has never mattered, and Americans have never changed that, despite having a couple of centuries of ample opportunity to do so.

The whole reason there is a United States of America is because each state would get a voice in choosing the president. By only going by popularity, a few select cities decide all. If it was proposed that way, the USA would never have formed and we'd have a bunch of individual separate countries.