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Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by nerdponx »

SifJar wrote: post #73
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most successful open source company ever (RedHat) made their whole business packaging up open source in a nice manner. People will pay for convenience and polish. Also, i would guess that Windows users are not likely to be free software purists and just wants something that works with a minimum of fuss. The price of software should be based on the value it provides to the user, not on what it cost to make it.

> Also, i would guess that Windows users are not likely to be free software purists The ones looking for an X server may be more likely to be

That, or they're IT people and their employer is paying for the software.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by stragies »

cercatrova wrote: post #158
ktpsns wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds really fantastic. Can you explain a bit more about the hardware requirements? If I have a decent notebook with an Intel-integrated GPU, how can I both passthrought the GPU to the VM and use it for rendering the GUI on the host?

It won't really work for laptops, at least without a lot of research and fiddling. You need a desktop with at least one GPU, for the guest. If you want to run the host as GUI, instead of headless, then you need a GPU for the host as well. You can shut down each guest and boot up another one but generally you'll need a GPU for each guest you want to run with a GUI, if you want proper hardware acceleration and if you w…

"for certain Intel systems" makes it sound rare. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_GVT-g says, anything Broadwell and up should work, so any device from 2015+ should work for creating vGPUs, and thus be able to use native acceleration at host and vm-guest level!

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by naringas »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #62
joyfulmantis wrote: post #9

They are asking $50 for something that there are other open source solutions for. It would be interesting to find out how much of the original source code is the developers and how much is just repackaging of one of the multitude of open source X servers for Windows that are currently available. Originally thinking it was another open source project, I looked at the website to see if there were some features that wou…

The most successful open source company ever (RedHat) made their whole business packaging up open source in a nice manner. People will pay for convenience and polish. Also, i would guess that Windows users are not likely to be free software purists and just wants something that works with a minimum of fuss. The price of software should be based on the value it provides to the user, not on what it cost to make it.

> People will pay for convenience and polish. Also, i would guess that Windows users are not likely to be free software purists and just wants something that works with a minimum of fuss.

I would say "companies" will pay for ....

not sure about "people" undesrtood as individual persons

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by Eridrus »

tomxor wrote: post #114

This is getting weird, you pay for windows to use WSL then pay $50 for an X server clone... who wants to try this hard to not use the Linux kernel?

I have a Linux laptop from work with a small amount of supported hardware configurations. I have had issues with: UI lockups, audio failures, resume from suspend issues.

Windows 10 isn't perfect, but it's a lot better at not getting in the way.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by stragies »

ktpsns wrote: post #148
cercatrova wrote: post #123

For a somewhat alternative if you want to run both Linux and Windows, you can run Linux natively and then run Windows in a VM with GPU passthrough. Then you can use Looking Glass which sends the Windows pixels to a Linux window with native performance. For the Linux machine, you can run it as a host or use something like Proxmox as a hypervisor if you need more VMs or containers. I use this setup to run Windows, macO…

This sounds really fantastic. Can you explain a bit more about the hardware requirements? If I have a decent notebook with an Intel-integrated GPU, how can I both passthrought the GPU to the VM and use it for rendering the GUI on the host?

With Linux 4.16+ and an Intel Card of age Broadwell or newer (~2015+) you can use this howto: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_GVT-g. Adapt from Arch Linux if you have something else.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by cercatrova »

stragies wrote: post #172
cercatrova wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't really work for laptops, at least without a lot of research and fiddling. You need a desktop with at least one GPU, for the guest. If you want to run the host as GUI, instead of headless, then you need a GPU for the host as well. You can shut down each guest and boot up another one but generally you'll need a GPU for each guest you want to run with a GUI, if you want proper hardware acceleration and if you w…

"for certain Intel systems" makes it sound rare. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_GVT-g says, anything Broadwell and up should work, so any device from 2015+ should work for creating vGPUs, and thus be able to use native acceleration at host and vm-guest level!

Yes, but is that also the case for mobile Intel CPUs? I was unsure so I said "some" rather than "most."

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by asveikau »

rosywoozlechan wrote: post #55
jarfil wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried Cygwin's X server? I've been using it for many years already with no problems, and it's free (both as in beer and as in freedom).

That's Cygwin, not WSL. I don't think those two are compatible. I think people want the actual Linux you can get with WSL, not a pseudo-Linux like Cygwin.

This would be a correct comment in other contexts but you seem to be unaware of the architecture of X. You can run an X server under cygwin and X clients under WSL.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by stragies »

cercatrova wrote: post #176
stragies wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"for certain Intel systems" makes it sound rare. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_GVT-g says, anything Broadwell and up should work, so any device from 2015+ should work for creating vGPUs, and thus be able to use native acceleration at host and vm-guest level!

Yes, but is that also the case for mobile Intel CPUs? I was unsure so I said "some" rather than "most."

I wasn't aware Intel still made "Desktop-AddIn cards", or that the Non-Mobile versions are in any relevant way different to the mobile versions. In any case, the page I linked above does not seem to draw a distinction. So I assume, mobile versions are good to go too. Heard/read about differing experiences?

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by arendtio »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #62
joyfulmantis wrote: post #9

They are asking $50 for something that there are other open source solutions for. It would be interesting to find out how much of the original source code is the developers and how much is just repackaging of one of the multitude of open source X servers for Windows that are currently available. Originally thinking it was another open source project, I looked at the website to see if there were some features that wou…

The most successful open source company ever (RedHat) made their whole business packaging up open source in a nice manner. People will pay for convenience and polish. Also, i would guess that Windows users are not likely to be free software purists and just wants something that works with a minimum of fuss. The price of software should be based on the value it provides to the user, not on what it cost to make it.

I think RedHat does a lot more than just packaging open source in a nice manner. AFAIK, they actively shape the ecosystem and contribute to quite a few projects. Wasn't the whole systemd transition spearheaded by RedHat for example?

But I agree with you, that consumers pay for convenience and companies require Service Level Agreements for which they are willing to pay.

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