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Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by dodobirdlord »

celticninja wrote: post #135
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #129

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I think the underlying issue is that Google is under a lot of pressure from the EU and other governing bodies to police its YouTube content, Google being Google is trying to do this with algorithms, unfortunately when the algorithm gets something wrong there is seldom much recourse beyond knowing someone on the inside or being able to raise a big enough stink on Twitter. But this is nothing new, so I think you have t…

GCP is Google cloud platform isn't it? perhaps you mean AWS

GCP being a cloud service, it’s not susceptible to the same risks as YouTube. There’s no way for someone unscrupulous to “report your account” and the algorithms to be worried about are not scanning content. Instead, watchdog security systems may determine that your account had been compromised by bitcoin miners or something and lock things up until you get on the phone.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by TuringNYC »

rangibaby wrote: post #96
cschep wrote: post #90

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which emoji? :)

A person (people?) got really angry about the eggplant emoji a few years ago: https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/8 https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3xtep0/socj...

I'd think it would be easier to just s/n// that emoji on all incoming text rather than banning users.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by Dylan16807 »

barry-cotter wrote: post #153
AlphaSite wrote: post #66

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Because then someone who doesn’t have Google’s money could actually compete. It wouldn’t become a huge exercise in dumping.

If Google is subsidizing everyone else’s consumption of video, pricing it below market, that’s a good thing. Someone giving you free money or a discount you b didn’t even need to ask for is a good thing. Dumping out selling below cost harms no one but the seller.

It hurts anyone where the product doesn't meet their needs, and their needs would be met if there were several healthy competitors.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by dylan604 »

malka wrote: post #36
maceurt wrote: post #30

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It would be cool if anybody else could make a real competitor to youtube then Google would have to actually cater more to content creators. However, sadly I think youtube is just too far ahead and google has way to many resources and time spent in the space for any competitor to even be able to make a dent into youtube's market.

youtube is a huge moneysink. not only would it be hard to build, it would never bring money. Google has entrenched themselves in a monopoly here. I think antitrust laws should be applied.

As a monopolopy punishment, they should make any video that is available on YouTube and other platforms (Vimeo, etc) redirect to the other platform. Now, all of these other sites get an influx of users. We'll see who built the better infrastructure. sorry, my alarm clock is ringing, better wake up from the dreaming.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by eitland »

chii wrote: post #158
apostacy wrote: post #151

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It used to be much harder to knock someone you didn't like offline. You used to have to organize a DDOS attack. But now, all you have to do is organize a much easier mass-flagging attack. We need to update our threat models to account for how unreliable major platforms have become. We can no longer rely on these companies. After big tech spent so much time investing in their own infrastructure, they are undermining t…

This concept of de-platforming is becoming more and more prevailant. The big techs cannot differentiate between legitimate de-platforming vs a Denial of Service de-platforming. I think while the big techs have a legitimate concern for de-platforming things that are deemed hate speech, this same power can be utilized by individuals to target a de-platforming for people whose opinions they don't like. I think big techs…

> The big techs cannot differentiate between legitimate de-platforming

I can try to give some guidelines, I'd love to see improvements (and also like to know if anyone points out I'm wrong :-)

Legitimate de-platforming is

a) when an individual or organization is removed from the platform based on a request from law enforcement followed by a review by the platforms staff to verify that the request is genuine and that the reasons stated are valid.

The account should still not be deleted for a certain number of days, and if requested by the user or organization, relevant details should be made available to them to take fight it in court against the relevant law enforcement agency.

b) when an individual or organization is removed from the platform based on an written policy, known by the users of the platform in advance and verified by a second team. Upon request an explanation of why the account was deplatformed should be made available.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by Dylan16807 »

cschep wrote: post #90
zeeZ wrote: post #51

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What do you do if you can't access your Google One subscription because they've terminated your Google account for posting an emoji in a YouTube live stream, for example?

which emoji? :)

https://www.businessinsider.com/markiplier-youtube-fans-heis...

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by eitland »

chx wrote: post #166
eitland wrote: post #163

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So a protection racket, only not by a third party but by the vendor? Nice YouTube account you have there, it would be a shame if we accidentally destroyed it... I'm more in favour of a) splitting out parts of Google until it becomes managable b) new regulations that protect persons and companies in extremely one sided relationships (man vs Google). We are already starting to get there with GDPR and I'm seriously hopi…

you can't force them to provide a free service to you.

Not for now.

My idea here is that we need to formalize this relationship and regulate it.

YouTubers aren't Google employees but they are still extremely valuable to Google only in a very one sided relationship.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by [deleted] »

londons_explore wrote: post #4

I would guess that someone nefarious got access to the Google account associated with that youtube account... If you can log into an account, it's pretty easy to get an account permabanned. Just paste some links to well known child porn trading sites into the description, and the account gets banned within about half an hour. Someone at my school modified a chrome extension to do that and half the schools youtube acc…

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Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by apostacy »

eitland wrote: post #175
chii wrote: post #158

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This concept of de-platforming is becoming more and more prevailant. The big techs cannot differentiate between legitimate de-platforming vs a Denial of Service de-platforming. I think while the big techs have a legitimate concern for de-platforming things that are deemed hate speech, this same power can be utilized by individuals to target a de-platforming for people whose opinions they don't like. I think big techs…

> The big techs cannot differentiate between legitimate de-platforming I can try to give some guidelines, I'd love to see improvements (and also like to know if anyone points out I'm wrong :-) Legitimate de-platforming is a) when an individual or organization is removed from the platform based on a request from law enforcement followed by a review by the platforms staff to verify that the request is genuine and that…

> b) when an individual or organization is removed from the platform based on an written policy, known by the users of the platform in advance and verified by a second team. Upon request an explanation of why the account was deplatformed should be made available.

That alone would be great. They should have to justify exactly why they removed someone. And by making it explicit, they open a pathway for legal action.

But more importantly, these platforms need to be declared public utilities and forced to be transparent. This is not controversial and is usually welcomed by the public when it happens. Most public utilities that we enjoy today started out as being completely private.

The fire dept would let your house burn down if you were late with your bills. The telegraph company would ban you from their private network if you were a journalist that criticized them. The electric companies would make you agree to onerous terms to get electricity. And currently we have this mess with private medical insurance companies and tech platforms.

It is time for us to nationalize Facebook.

Re: YouTube accidentally permanently terminated my account

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Post by 6nf »

mirimir wrote: post #147
Shorel wrote: post #143

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How can anybody do that if Google doesn't provide such information?

Someone at Google could. Someone at Google fixed it, and others there are likely aware of the circumstances.

That’s not going to happen. Google won’t say a word on this.
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