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And now it will be up to the carriers to push out the Android update to the end users. And we all know how well that's going to go.
That combination Apple-Google logogram is scary! It’s like an image from some corporate future dystopian sci-fi.
The logogram in OP suppresses Google’s four colors, and so did the one on Google’s blog: https://blog.google/inside-google/company-announcements/appl... Also, the Apple logo is first. I wonder how this was decided?
Someone probably said — “how about this?” and scribbled something. May have even been a Googler.
Then everyone else just said “sure”.
At least, that’s how I’d like to think it went.
If this does really work, it could trace millions of people and give this pandemic some sort of order. Identify hotspots and show a heat map of spread.
Definitely a step in the right direction, hopefully it's executed well too. I'm pretty sure Microsoft be jealous they didn't win the Mobile OS market.
Promising opt-in is a bit disingenuous. These tech giants are creating a technological capability. Whether or not it is opt-in, opt-out or mandatory is then decided by governments, now and in the future. This is of course nothing new. But it's worth noting considering how high the tolerance for extremely intrusive government action currently is and how extremely weak any resistance is bound to be. I'm not saying I'm…
They already have the shiny button. They can compel cell phone companies to give this data to the government already, without you knowing about it. At least this way you will get some control of the info and you'll know what was collected and have control of it's disclosure (for now). In other words, this is no worse than what the government is already capable of, it just makes it easier for you to share the data wit…
doubt it.
That combination Apple-Google logogram is scary! It’s like an image from some corporate future dystopian sci-fi.
The logogram in OP suppresses Google’s four colors, and so did the one on Google’s blog: https://blog.google/inside-google/company-announcements/appl... Also, the Apple logo is first. I wonder how this was decided?
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They already have the shiny button. They can compel cell phone companies to give this data to the government already, without you knowing about it. At least this way you will get some control of the info and you'll know what was collected and have control of it's disclosure (for now). In other words, this is no worse than what the government is already capable of, it just makes it easier for you to share the data wit…
that isn't a reason to be complacent about furthering governmental/corporate surveillance capabilities. in fact, it should remind us to take away those prior surveillance capabilities, and demand any contact tracing system to give control to users and be fully off-limits to large power structures (e.g., only shared between users and researchers). and being hard to do so is no excuse. we have millions of people we can…
It's pretty clear that we will get contact tracing applications in many parts of the world, regardless of any action Apple or Google might have taken. Might as well base it on something that does not compromise the user base wholesale.
> Upon a positive test of a user for COVID-19, their Diagnosis Keys and associated DayNumbers are uploaded to the Diagnosis Server. A Diagnosis Server is a server that aggregates the Diagnosis Keys from the users who tested positive and distributes them to all the user clients who are using contact tracing.
Is this scalable? Earlier in the document they mentioned that the tracing keys are 16 bytes long. Let's assume that there are 3 million patients in a country. That'd be 48 megabytes each user has to download and process per day to check whether they've been in contact with an infected person (processing involves calculation of 144 HMACs per tracing key). I don't think this is feasible at scale and one can't avoid thinking about area recognizing diagnosis servers.
E.g. Smartphones of patients would upload not just the diagnosis keys, but also the areas (county, district, something like that) they've been inside during that day. Then smartphones querying the diagnosis servers would have to send the areas they are interested in. But it's easy to see that this approach is then quite privacy invading. On the bright side, this info is already available to carriers so it's already a sunken cost so to speak.
Thinking big, if this works against covid: could it later be used to severely limit or eliminate diseases such as the common cold and the flu? That would be an incredible win for humanity.
Nobody does contact tracing for flu, let alone common cold (which is caused by a bunch of different viruses) Also, common cold mortality is extremely low.
Even if it's not the most important thing we could do, eliminating influenza and the common cold would be pretty fricking awesome.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
The logogram in OP suppresses Google’s four colors, and so did the one on Google’s blog: https://blog.google/inside-google/company-announcements/appl... Also, the Apple logo is first. I wonder how this was decided?
A comes before G? Logo designs typically have a logo followed by text. Seems to apply here too. It might not be anything about who can pee further.
This. It would look weird if the order were the other way around.