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Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by 01100011 »

soneil wrote: post #30
_bxg1 wrote: post #8

Seems like a power move to me. Painting a picture for the world of struggling U.S. institutions needing a Chinese billionaire's help to weather a crisis. I'm not even sure it's incorrect.

He also sent similar to Iran, Italy, Japan, South Korea, and Spain - which makes it look a little less so, at least to my eye.

I've noticed China is promoting the medical response teams they've sent to those countries on WeChat. I don't want to be so cynical that I reduce Chinese goodwill to a propaganda move, but it definitely is good PR.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

einmus wrote: post #147
_gccu wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My logic (point 1 and 2) is a joke? What part about it do you not believe?

“Weakness and ignorance are not barriers to survival, but arrogance is.” You think China can't manufacture good quality mask, a simple mask? You people really are that arrogant?

It’s worse than that. They believe it’s a Chinese conspiracy. One of the few countries to control the spread, but the tests they distribute will be ‘tainted’ and ‘ineffective’.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by _gccu »

einmus wrote: post #147
_gccu wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My logic (point 1 and 2) is a joke? What part about it do you not believe?

“Weakness and ignorance are not barriers to survival, but arrogance is.” You think China can't manufacture good quality mask, a simple mask? You people really are that arrogant?

You put words in my mouth. My concern isn't that it's not "good quality". My concern is, the thing is literally coming from the country where the virus originated from to begin with. Presumably, these things were made with human hands, of people in China, .. the country where this all started. So, ... you're telling me, you're just going to blindly assume these products have ZERO trace of the virus without any verification?

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by pishpash »

spectramax wrote: post #72
knzhou wrote: post #48

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Sigh. Each dumb conspiracy theory in Chinese social media has an equal and opposite dumb conspiracy theory in American social media.

Why does every criticism of China have to have a corollary accompanying US criticism? Can we not just talk about one issue at a time instead of muddling up the waters?

In an ideal world, everyone criticizes things they know the most about and can do the most about, which is whatever is happening in their own country. When this is inverted, there is usually some ulterior psychological need and the criticism ends up not being anything genuine or actionable but a pissing contest. Anything goes in a pissing contest. Why are you surprised?

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by masonic »

knzhou wrote: post #122
taiwanboy wrote: post #114

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Disingenuous comparison. Ministers of foreign affairs in China is similar to Secretary of State in US. A senator is nowhere near equivalent.

Senators are within the top 100 most powerful people in the US. They represent millions of people. I think you're just grasping at straws because you've already decided what narrative you want. In which case there's nothing more for me to say here.

  Senators are within the top 100 most powerful people in the US.
Since there are exactly 100 Senators, you place every Senator over the President, the Speaker of the House, House party leaders, and all Supreme Court justices. And Oprah.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by robomartin »

jessaustin wrote: post #164
robomartin wrote: post #148

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> But you can trace all of that after the fact. No, you can't. You clearly don't understand the subject. The most you might be able to do is say "Hmmm, we are getting three times more false positives". By that time you will have wasted a ton of time, overwhelmed hospitals with people who did not need to be there and no, despite your belief, there is no way (or point really) to trace it, at least nothing that is going…

Why do you believe so strongly that China can't manufacture reliable health products? Most of the health products we've been using for decades are manufactured in China! They are currently operating a fairly successful effort against this disease, and the tests in question are a part of that effort. No one in USA has done the basic work in this field. SMH.

ALL quality medical products and supplies coming out of China, all of them, are made under intense western supervision and quality control. Only after a factory has proven itself that it can be relied upon are they trusted. And, even then, the supervision does not go away.

I would not manufacture coffee mugs in China without supervision. No way.

Has everyone forgotten the iPhone chargers that go up in flames? How do you think that happens?

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by robomartin »

mythrwy wrote: post #155
robomartin wrote: post #139

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That's insane. If the untraceable masks only block particles larger than 1 micron rather than 0.3 microns, they are useless. If instead of being true N95 they are N80, they are deadly junk. This isn't about bureaucracy, this is about engineering and science. Junk is junk, and it can kill you when you assume you are being protected (or protecting others) and you are not because they lied to you.

Pretty quick check that. Your cynicism is astounding.

At least I am not ignorant, or naive. That's dangerous.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by cjhopman »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #24
DarthGhandi wrote: post #6

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Shouldn't there be hundreds of labs with these machines though? The United States government spends far more on healthcare than any other nation on Earth. That's not including private health costs. South Korea has the capacity to test 20,000 per day and has 1/6th the population.

Shouldn't there be hundreds of labs with these machines though? Yes. Roche just got FDA approval on a SARS-COV-2 test that will take four (4) hours that works with two of their (whatever you call the machine) models. Per Roche there are around 110 of those machines in the United States. Bloomberg had estimated throughput numbers and also indicated that Roche has tests that work with some of their other, slower equipm…

How does Korea have 15 minute tests (from when a sample is collected) and we're excited about a 2 hour or 4 hour one? I'm not being flippant, I imagine that whatever korea is doing they've been open about it and we know how to do manufacture everything and perform those 15 minute tests, but I imagine there must be some reason that we aren't doing them.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by knzhou »

masonic wrote: post #175
knzhou wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Senators are within the top 100 most powerful people in the US. They represent millions of people. I think you're just grasping at straws because you've already decided what narrative you want. In which case there's nothing more for me to say here.

Senators are within the top 100 most powerful people in the US. Since there are exactly 100 Senators, you place every Senator over the President, the Speaker of the House, House party leaders, and all Supreme Court justices. And Oprah.

Okay, whatever, 150. This is an order of magnitude thing.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by FpUser »

_gccu wrote: post #125
robomartin wrote: post #117

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Well. Not so fast. It isn't cynicism to point out issues with this idea. You can't accept half a million random tests kits and use them for anything. It isn't that simple. At a minimum, we know nothing about where they came from, their traceability, method of manufacture, sterility, etc. And then there's the reality that "test kits" does not mean swab-to-result technology. There's a lot more to testing someone for, w…

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"1. Every one of those 1M masks are not tainted with coronavirus."

Let's see - 1 of the masks is infected and other 999,999 are perfect and meet 0.3 micron standard or whatever it is to be effective. Following your logic you'd refuse all.

Yes my logic is BS but only because yours is exactly the same, just the opposite end.

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