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Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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How about: "Sufficient levels of stupidity are indistinguishable from malice"

Indifference is not stupidity. "My feature is done. I don't care if or how it hurts the user."

Possible a bad example, as that one sounds incredibly stupid. ;)

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

Pretty interesting article. > "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said. > "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say,…

This whole thing seems somewhat ridiculous to me. If there is intent here (which evidence seems to dictate that there is), then Google is playing a very short-term game and Google’s strength has been it’s long-term thinking.

There’s not even much to argue about: web tech is standardized, and each vendor can (and should) be held to an objective measurement o how well they implement the spec. When MS chooses to make spec-compliant sites, they should be easily (and even publicly) able to say “hey your browser is out of spec, and this is why”.

Just so odd to think that these sort of classroom politics still happen.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Microsoft do the same tricks to push users to switch back from Firefox/Chrome to Edge : https://twitter.com/WindowsLatest/status/1226184938552098817

I'm surprised MS doesn't get into more trouble for this, especially after US v Microsoft. They only defense for MS is Edge isn't the dominant browser. Google's only defenses are freedom of speech, and no one's forcing you to go to Google properties.

Some of this is tricky, though. If you're Google in 2009, it's not unreasonable to tell IE6 users that their browser is a drag on the internet, and not in a way to drive users to Chrome--IE6 was just shit. Or if you're MS, Windows needs to ship with a browser, but what do you ship? Is there a setup option to switch to Chrome? How do you qualify to get on that list? What types of applications should this apply to? Did Windows Explorer unfairly kill Norton Commander? What about third-party solitaire developers?

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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post #38

PSA: if you are not already using it, and you care about the future of humanity, then give Firefox a(nother) go. Its actually quite good these days.

Firefox does 'gah! your tab just crashed' on my amazon tabs at a rate of about 1 in every 4 times. Once it decides to do that on a particular tab, no amount of refresh or reopen, or restart-firefox fixes it.

I'm using Ubuntu 14.04, and this has been happening consistently for the last 5+ years.

Every. single. goshdarn. effing. firefox. release.

(sorry just wanted to vent. I've tried every solution I could find on askubuntu, stackoverflow, what not. Nothing fixes it. I know I should be filing a bug report, and/or upgrading my OS, but I don't have the time, patience to deal with that. I need to finish school first.).

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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post #107

Microsoft may experience firsthand what can happen when you build your business on competitors platform. I'm exaggerating of course but essentially it may happen. The good news is that MS is probably the only company which can actually maintain its own browser in a case if Google goes completely hostile on them. Then this mythical thing called Chromium may materialize as an independent entity from Google, making diff…

Chrome was originally based on Webkit, and that's a fork of KHTML, so Google at least knows all about building on a competitor's platform.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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post #162

Somewhat related but: has anyone heard of/ used the Brave browser?

I've been using it for a while now. I like it, but they're starting to get a little too pushy with their Brave Rewards program for my liking. But for now, it's great.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Back when Google Chrome came out I switched from Firefox to Google Chrome because the scrolling felt better and more responsive. Microsoft Edge with Chromium engine has better scrolling in my opinion: it is relative to size of window. If I have smaller window it scrolls less. I switched to Microsoft Edge. It's about the product for me, although I have turned all the knobs to prevent trackers etc.

I can't get used to edge's lack of information on slow loading sites. No spinner, the url bar goes blank when you click on it, acts like it didn't even send the request yet.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Very well could be an internal project/component name in MS.

Microsoft's purposely changed Chromium Edge's User-Agent string to say "Edg" [sic] instead of "Edge". They wanted to give sites a way to identify Chromium Edge without accidentally treating it was the old Trident Edge (whose User-Agent string says "Edge"). No one would have written User-Agent string sniffing code that searches for "Edg" instead of "Edge" before Chromium Edge was released. Thus, Google sites are expli…

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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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>The "oops" have begun... Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.

"Never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice" -Hacker News

"If a company I like has plausible deniability, then their intentions are definitely innocent" -Hacker News

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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post #64

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Or bundling Chrome and Android

Supposedly they now ask users in the EU which browser they want to use: https://www.blog.google/around-the-globe/google-europe/suppo... I can't say I've ever seen that dialog, though.

I got a popup telling me I could install other browsers, and some directions on how to do so. I knew it had to be in response to the EU case, but you couldn't tell from the phrasing that they did it involuntarily.
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