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Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by dehrmann »

jackjeff wrote: post #120
pi-err wrote: post #69

I live in Paris and whatever you think of the current mayor, this is pure marketing babble for the elections next month. Paris has always had this very dense city core where 99% of daily life is 5-10’ away. It’s a great concept for dense metropoles, but it only works because the city is so small: 100 square kilometers in an ocean of much lesser density. 80% of “Greater Parisians” live outside Paris itself. Unfortunat…

What is considered to be Paris (100km2) is a lot smaller than what people consider to be London (1500km2) or NYC (800km2 of land). Yes. If you’re rich enough and can afford to live in Paris everything is about 15mins away. If you leave “outside” then be ready for commutes that get proportionally cheaper as travel distance increase. A commute time of one hour or less is considered good. It’s not rare for people to com…

> a lot smaller than what people consider to be London

Is somewhere like Westminster technically London? It's definitely what people consider to be London, and it's within Greater London, but as a political entity, it is its own city.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

rsynnott wrote: post #163
thaumasiotes wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> stores comparable to cvs I named them because they're open 24 hours and they seem like the closest fit to a convenience store. CVS is a "drug store", selling products in three basic categories: (1) grooming supplies (hairbrushes / fingernail clippers / makeup... this kind of thing); (2) a very stripped-down grocery inventory, including only prepackaged food (cereal / milk / poptarts / cookies / candy, but no fruit…

I think CVS-style shops are a uniquely American thing, no? I was pretty confused by them on first visiting San Francisco (why is this a combination of products that makes sense? Is the candy aisle right beside where you buy statins some sort of elaborate joke?)

I assume they sell candy for the same reason art supply stores sell candy -- it's easy to sell, because people like it.

The combination of products is basically "everything you might find at a 'supermarket' in another country, except for the food", and I assume it's that way because grocery stores are primarily dedicated to food. If you took the food out of a Carrefour, what would it be selling?

(We also have stores on the "full supermarket" model, Walmart and Target.)

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by refurb »

hobofan wrote: post #114
__Joker wrote: post #100

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I think most of the world lives pretty close except the US. But problem in rest of the world is not that you can't have schools, clinics, entertainment, shopping in a 15 minutes radius but the problem is finding the desired combination when you throw in you and your spouse workplace and the school to which you want to send to your children to.

> the school to which you want to send to your children to That doesn't seem to be something that most people spend a lot of thought on. E.g. in Germany less than 10% of children attend a private school, and with public schools you basically have to send them to your closest one (which isn't a big problem, as the quality of schools inside a city generally doesn't vary too much).

This is a uniquely American problem.

In Canada, you send your kid to the closest public school. Done.

In the US, determining which school your kid goes to is a strategic decision that impacts where you live. This is even true if you live in an area with great schools - you need to find the best.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by eschutte2 »

toohotatopic wrote: post #124
eschutte2 wrote: post #49

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Check that math

I did. Could you explain where I am wrong? The apartment is that expensive because people can finance it. It's stupid, because an apartment is not magically worth more because people can finance more. Unfortunately that doesn't matter to people who need a place to live.

I don't know what to tell you, except that the monthly payment on a 1.2mm loan at 1% for 30 years (insert your loan terms here) is 3.86k, not 1k.

Edit: put another way, if you pay 1k/mo on a 1.2mm loan, you'll finish making payments in 530 years. The Jeanne Calment loan!

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by esotericn »

refurb wrote: post #173
hobofan wrote: post #114

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> the school to which you want to send to your children to That doesn't seem to be something that most people spend a lot of thought on. E.g. in Germany less than 10% of children attend a private school, and with public schools you basically have to send them to your closest one (which isn't a big problem, as the quality of schools inside a city generally doesn't vary too much).

This is a uniquely American problem. In Canada, you send your kid to the closest public school. Done. In the US, determining which school your kid goes to is a strategic decision that impacts where you live. This is even true if you live in an area with great schools - you need to find the best .

In Britain the catchment areas for schools are a massive deal, so it's not just the US.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by titanomachy »

ekianjo wrote: post #101
pamicel wrote: post #98

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Many, many, more people than the 2 million intra-muros residents spend their daily life in intra-muros, i bet you could double that number, for these people not to have a voice in how what is essentially their city center is governed is extremely undemocratic. "Real Parisian" is an insulting term to use.

> i bet you could double that number, for these people not to have a voice in how what is essentially their city center is governed is extremely undemocratic That's nonsense though. You could argue that the influence of Parisian politics go way beyond the city and by your logic the whole of France should be voting for stuff that concerns Paris. That's just not how representation works.

It's not obvious to me that only the people who can afford to live in a wealthy city centre should unilaterally make decisions affecting the greater group of people whose destinies are tied to that city. Saying "that's just how it works" is not really a justification.

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Post by toast0 »

hk__2 wrote: post #99
d--b wrote: post #51

It’s all an election stunt to try and justify that her war on cars won’t affect Parisians. Ie. If you have everything you need in a 15min walk, you shouldn’t suffer that the traffic is reduced. But the things you occasionally need are getting harder to get. Plumbers, electricians don’t want to come to the city anymore. They will facture in the awful traffic and the fines they get for the lack of parking space. Basica…

> It’s all an election stunt to try and justify that her war on cars won’t affect Parisians. Ie. If you have everything you need in a 15min walk, you shouldn’t suffer that the traffic is reduced. That’s quite the opposite. Car traffic generates pollution and takes unnecessary space on the street: some sidewalks are so narrow you can’t have two people walking next to each other. Reduced traffic is a benefit, not somet…

I'm not in Europe, but when a plumber comes to visit me, they usually have a truck with essentially a small plumbing supply in the back. If whatever I'm having trouble with isn't salvagable, they can usually install one from the truck on the same visit. I don't imagine a cargo bike plumber is hauling around water heaters or toliets just in case.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by toohotatopic »

eschutte2 wrote: post #174
toohotatopic wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did. Could you explain where I am wrong? The apartment is that expensive because people can finance it. It's stupid, because an apartment is not magically worth more because people can finance more. Unfortunately that doesn't matter to people who need a place to live.

I don't know what to tell you, except that the monthly payment on a 1.2mm loan at 1% for 30 years (insert your loan terms here) is 3.86k, not 1k. Edit: put another way, if you pay 1k/mo on a 1.2mm loan, you'll finish making payments in 530 years. The Jeanne Calment loan!

It's 3.86k if you want to own the property after 30 years. You don't have to. You might as well sell the house for 1.2mm after 30 years and just pay 12m per year on interests for 30 years.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by eschutte2 »

toohotatopic wrote: post #178
eschutte2 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what to tell you, except that the monthly payment on a 1.2mm loan at 1% for 30 years (insert your loan terms here) is 3.86k, not 1k. Edit: put another way, if you pay 1k/mo on a 1.2mm loan, you'll finish making payments in 530 years. The Jeanne Calment loan!

It's 3.86k if you want to own the property after 30 years. You don't have to. You might as well sell the house for 1.2mm after 30 years and just pay 12m per year on interests for 30 years.

I'm sorry, I should have noticed you were talking about not owning it. I agree with the point that low interest rates mean higher prices, of course.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by ekianjo »

titanomachy wrote: post #176
ekianjo wrote: post #101

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> i bet you could double that number, for these people not to have a voice in how what is essentially their city center is governed is extremely undemocratic That's nonsense though. You could argue that the influence of Parisian politics go way beyond the city and by your logic the whole of France should be voting for stuff that concerns Paris. That's just not how representation works.

It's not obvious to me that only the people who can afford to live in a wealthy city centre should unilaterally make decisions affecting the greater group of people whose destinies are tied to that city. Saying "that's just how it works" is not really a justification.

Then by what logic do you justify that transient workers would have more power than the own residents of Paris about how the city should run? Because this is exactly what is suggested as more people live around Paris than inside.
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