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Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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> "HR told me that Sergey's response to it was, 'Why not? They're my employees,'" Ayers said. "But you don't have employees for f---ing! That's not what the job is." Ooooof. That shatters the "Early on Google's culture was great!" narrative... [1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/google-sergey-brin-employees...

Not really. Eric Schmidt (also a notorious womanizer) had a saying while I was there: "More revenue solves all known problems." When everybody at the company is getting rich, they're all working on exciting problems, Fortune and Time and BusinessWeek and Playboy magazines are featuring employees on the cover, and everyone you meet is impressed at where you work, then employees are willing to overlook a large number o…

I think this sums up not just big cooperate, but large part of our society in general as well. ( May be a bigger problem in US than other parts of the world, but still a problem )

I often wonder why realistic people are called cynical, even when they are facts happening everywhere in a statistically large sums. Do others live in fairy land?

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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The next line is really illustrative of whose interests an HR department serves. >"'Oh my God, this is a sexual harassment claim waiting to happen!' That was my concern," she recalled

Sure, but in this case, stopping the behavior that is likely to lead to harassment claims is aligned with both the company's and the employees' interests.

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Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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I really liked Ben Horowitz's new book "What You Do Is Who You Are". However, the only passage that I disliked and stood out to me is when he defended David Drummond for his ability to thrive at Google for a long time despite the corporate culture changing. This was after Drummond was called out publicly for abandoning his kid he had with a subordinate: https://www.law.com/corpcounsel/2018/10/25/report-alphabet-c...…

Steve Jobs also abandoned his kid. He created a $1 Trillion company.

Oh Come on, the two story is entirely different. One was having an affair for a long time, knowingly had a child, and abandoned the child.

One had a complex relationship at the time that he refuse to believe the kid was his. And he didn't "abandoned" her, he reconciled.

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Not really. Eric Schmidt (also a notorious womanizer) had a saying while I was there: "More revenue solves all known problems." When everybody at the company is getting rich, they're all working on exciting problems, Fortune and Time and BusinessWeek and Playboy magazines are featuring employees on the cover, and everyone you meet is impressed at where you work, then employees are willing to overlook a large number o…

I don't think the 2016 election is a good analogy, as both candidates had their share of skeletons in the closet, with the non-winning party arguably having skeletons that were more of a national security risk than a cultural one. People seem to conveniently forget this fact though.

1. That is unarguably false. 2. There were other candidates. 3. Mr Trump also won the primary.

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People routinely get pregnant despite using hormonal birth control. (Condoms are even less effective.) The purpose of sex is having kids, and unsurprisingly humans are very good at conception. If you don’t want to have kids, don’t have sex.

>If you don’t want to have kids, don’t have sex. How do you square this with your claim in a sister comment of "by virtue of their right to control their own bodies can abort a baby before it is born"

Someone may not want to have a kid and also object to having an abortion for any number of personal and/or religious reasons.

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Earlier / dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22013436 This is (for obvious reasons) getting multiple submissions. The CNBC article seems the most comprehensive to date: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22014115

That post from earlier received no discussion, so it isn't a dupe (does not count as such).

Right. I'd gotten a similar clarification from dang when I emailed mods.

When I was posting the dupe/prior notes, there'd been about 4-5 submissions within an hour, and it seemed likely the story would continue to draw submissions. A challenge in that case is that no submission gains critical mass.

A challenge of user-submission-based media aggregators.

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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>If you don’t want to have kids, don’t have sex. How do you square this with your claim in a sister comment of "by virtue of their right to control their own bodies can abort a baby before it is born"

Someone may not want to have a kid and also object to having an abortion for any number of personal and/or religious reasons.

Factually there's no contradiction. But in terms of principles, there seems to be a tension.

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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I really liked Ben Horowitz's new book "What You Do Is Who You Are". However, the only passage that I disliked and stood out to me is when he defended David Drummond for his ability to thrive at Google for a long time despite the corporate culture changing. This was after Drummond was called out publicly for abandoning his kid he had with a subordinate: https://www.law.com/corpcounsel/2018/10/25/report-alphabet-c...…

That article describes abhorrent behavior, good lord, he should have been fired multiple times over.

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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I really liked Ben Horowitz's new book "What You Do Is Who You Are". However, the only passage that I disliked and stood out to me is when he defended David Drummond for his ability to thrive at Google for a long time despite the corporate culture changing. This was after Drummond was called out publicly for abandoning his kid he had with a subordinate: https://www.law.com/corpcounsel/2018/10/25/report-alphabet-c...…

> but it's not like Google couldn't find a great legal chief who also wasn't a terrible person. This is actually an argument I wish would come up more often in cases where prominent people are fired or lose opportunities due to misconduct. Critics invariably react as if there aren't hundreds or thousands of qualified people for the position who didn't conduct themselves inappropriately, but I would argue that there a…

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Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Steve Jobs also abandoned his kid. He created a $1 Trillion company.

Exactly. Success as a business person has nothing to do with success as a moral or ethical person. In fact it's probably easier to be one when not being the others. Being good at business does not make you a "good person".

Agreed. And it's up to the citizens to make choices that reflect what they wish to reward or not reward as citizenry.
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