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Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by saberdancer »

actuator wrote: post #85

Does anyone remember how much time it took to nail down the cause of MH17 crash? If memory serves me right, during the MH17 shoot down over Ukraine it was established quite early that it was a work of a surface to air missile launched by rebels. If Iran did really shoot down the plane by mistake, can they cover it up by not giving access to the debris?

Well if they don't release the black boxes or give Ukraine access to the wreckage it will tell a lot about the causes.

It's hard to hide in this day and age with everyone having a internet connected phone. There are already plenty of videos and photos showing the wreckage and the debris field.

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Post by shadowprofile77 »

hideoto wrote: post #131

Official list of victims' nationality [1]: Iran: 82 Canada: 63 Ukraine: 2 + 9 crew members Sweden: 10 Afghanistan: 4 Germany: 3 UK: 3 [1] https://twitter.com/VPrystaiko/status/1214821876742213632

After a whole comment dump of speculation, why the bloody hell is this comment of all things being downvoted?

Very surprisingly large number of Canadians by the way.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by saberdancer »

rurban wrote: post #77
kitteh wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how many other aircraft depart tehran on that same route to the northwest that would be a massive error given how close it is to the airport.

Yeah. But this was the very first morning flight at 5:15 AM this day, and possibly end of shift of a trigger-happy revolutionary guard in high alert. Massive error very likely. And very unlikely that it will be actually solved.

The plane was delayed on takeoff so it was "off schedule". It can trick you into thinking it's an unknown plane.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

starpilot wrote: post #145

Like Tom Cruise. Despise that guy. Not but really, why has "bad actors" taken off as the pejorative for offenders these days?

He's not a bad actor, just mediocre. In the roles he was assigned, his characters are more or less similar, and his face shows relatively little emotion, but it's more or less consistent with the macho stereotype he's been playing. Bad actor would be someone like Hayden Christensen who seems unable to express convincing emotion even though the scenes played require him to.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by piva00 »

cm2187 wrote: post #147
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #15

A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues. It feels deeply implausible that this airplane would simply crash due to mechanical issues two minutes after taking off from Tehran just hours after Iran retaliated against the United States's assassination of General Qassem Soleimani, but then again there was also an earthquake in Iran just a few hours ago, so I guess maybe these things ju…

It’s going to be hard to remove the suspicion. The investigation will probably be run by an Iranian authority. I doubt the NTSB will be invited in the current climate. How credible will be its finding? Usually in this case a neutral third party is invited (like France’s BEA). But pretty much all western countries are being threaten by Iran now.

I didn't see threats coming from Iran towards the West apart from the ones against the US (and veiled threats to US allies to not join them), care to share sources for threats against other Western countries?

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by dilyevsky »

iamaelephant wrote: post #98
dilyevsky wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure russian/chinese SAMs don’t run windows

What makes you pretty sure of that?

* Most of them were made before it was even a thing

* Precisely for reason above

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by cm2187 »

mikejb wrote: post #159
cm2187 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s going to be hard to remove the suspicion. The investigation will probably be run by an Iranian authority. I doubt the NTSB will be invited in the current climate. How credible will be its finding? Usually in this case a neutral third party is invited (like France’s BEA). But pretty much all western countries are being threaten by Iran now.

> But pretty much all western countries are being threaten by Iran now. Are they? If I remember correctly, Iran threatened the US / Trump specifically (more so since Trump threatened to attack cultural sites). Were there any threats to other western countries?

The UK seems to think so:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/british-strike-on-ir...

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by keiferski »

shadowprofile77 wrote: post #172
hideoto wrote: post #131

Official list of victims' nationality [1]: Iran: 82 Canada: 63 Ukraine: 2 + 9 crew members Sweden: 10 Afghanistan: 4 Germany: 3 UK: 3 [1] https://twitter.com/VPrystaiko/status/1214821876742213632

After a whole comment dump of speculation, why the bloody hell is this comment of all things being downvoted? Very surprisingly large number of Canadians by the way.

My guess is that a significant portion are dual citizens / have family in Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Canadians

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by dgudkov »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #15

A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues. It feels deeply implausible that this airplane would simply crash due to mechanical issues two minutes after taking off from Tehran just hours after Iran retaliated against the United States's assassination of General Qassem Soleimani, but then again there was also an earthquake in Iran just a few hours ago, so I guess maybe these things ju…

>A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues.

Also, just two days after the latest maintenance check (Jan 6th 2020).

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by chemeng »

Aeolun wrote: post #90

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ps752#23732569 Is there a reason a flights transponder data would just suddenly cut off in the middle of the air in case of engine failure? Maybe really explosive engine failure? I recall seeing the full history (right up until the plane hits the ground), in other cases of airplane crashes.

Loss of power is the most straightforward reason. I believe failure/shutdown of both engines would be required on this aircraft to cause that in flight, but not certain. Doesn't need to be simultaneous either. No need for an exploding plane. FOD is a likely culprit in one or both engines. Also, cascading failures are possible, though actively engineered against. This paper [1] explores cascading failure specific to engines, might be interesting to some (PDF).

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187770581...

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