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PinePhone Review

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> Bank - should have a website (and if they don't have a website they most likely don't have an app anyway) In my experience mobile banking is more often than not provided via app exclusively.

What are some American banks that don't have a website but have an app? I'm curious.

BofA, the bank that most Americans use, doesn't support mobile check deposit outside of the native app.

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I'm very impressed that they managed to ship at all. Commercial enterprises with such small budgets flip very often.

It is amazing that they consistently produce these products, I'm continually impressed by them. They are doing exactly the right thing, at exactly the right price points to kick start some of these things (linux phone, arm laptops).

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> If the user can't interact with their bank, whatchu YouTube, talk to their friends and parents over Snapchat or Skype, call Uber, play Spotify, etc etc etc, it doesn't matter in the least if your phone is 100% open source. Most of this should be available on the PinePhone at launch (albeit not as nicely as on Android). Bank - should have a website (and if they don't have a website they most likely don't have an app…

My bank app has significantly better usability than the website because it can mostly cache credentials and support a short login procedure. Or use the fingerprint scanner.

Your web browser can fully cache credentials.

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Give FOSS phones the same media coverage of the iPhone, possibly including its ad induced reality distortion field, and they will sell like candies. Seriously, once the software is ready, 30 seconds of any popular celebrity showing one would make it sell hundreds thousands in a week. Problem is the small manufacturers couldn't either pay for that level of advertising or satisfy the demand without turning themselves i…

Why didn't it work for Windows Phones then?

Interesting point. I have seen some friends happily using Windows phones but most of them were/are either Microsoft employees or working mostly with Windows software, so I guess they needed the deepest integration with the Windows ecosystem, which is understandable. As for other users, it is possible that Windows phones had either some limitation compared to other platforms or they lacked the killer app that would make it appealing to other userbases.

Having never used one, I can only speculate that MS wanted to change too much too early by making an user interface very consistent with the one they introduced on PCs but hard to digest just like that one, and this could have brought users away both from the PC and mobile devices. I have always found in the past very hard to migrate non technical users from Windows to Linux, but the adoption of the new interfaces from Windows 8 onward made some people I know so furious that it became really easy to convince them to try Linux; in some cases it was them who asked me to install it. That would be unthinkable before Windows 8. In the mobile world I guess it was even harder to grow an userbase since the alternative was already mainstream.

They probably should have copied or mocked a mainstream mobile interface, that is, offer something an user from either Android or iOS would not find alien to use, then offer something more, say free Office apps, then after the userbase had grown start to build the rest.

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Drew (Or sircmpwn? Sorry I don't know how you prefer to be called) since I know you're on here, if I may ask: - What provider are you using? - Is it VoLTE that is working, or does it drop down to 3g for calls? - Does SMS work in LTE mode or do you have to drop it down to 3g? I have a Librem 5 birch, and from my experience in rolling my own Android AOSP version, that to get T-mobile to work with VoLTE, SMS/MMS with LT…

- AT&T - I don't know what VoLTE is - SMS seems to work fine in LTE mode, but don't quote me on that. I tested everything once just to understand how it worked, then put it on the backburner to work on other stuff.

Thank you!

Understand, that's how I have been playing with My Librem 5, I pull it out every so often to try out different things.

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Drew (Or sircmpwn? Sorry I don't know how you prefer to be called) since I know you're on here, if I may ask: - What provider are you using? - Is it VoLTE that is working, or does it drop down to 3g for calls? - Does SMS work in LTE mode or do you have to drop it down to 3g? I have a Librem 5 birch, and from my experience in rolling my own Android AOSP version, that to get T-mobile to work with VoLTE, SMS/MMS with LT…

MMS is just a SMS with a hash or link which combined with a HTTP proxy is then automatically loaded. It is a way to remotely load a picture, on a remote device. Not sure I actually want that feature. I always disable it on my SIM card. Not trying to downplay, other people might prefer it. VoLTE provides a security and usability benefit over 2G, as does not using 2G/3G as backward compatibility. Has anyone in Europe u…

The killer feature I use MMS for is group texts. In an ideal world I could host my own matrix channel on my server to use, but I know that I would have exactly one user on it. I refuse to use WhatsApp/Facebook messenger/Viber/your favorite chat program, and MMS is the least common denominator.

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This makes open source phone cheaper to produce? Cheaper to ship? 13k phones won't cover even the costs of production, much less R&D

Give FOSS phones the same media coverage of the iPhone, possibly including its ad induced reality distortion field, and they will sell like candies. Seriously, once the software is ready, 30 seconds of any popular celebrity showing one would make it sell hundreds thousands in a week. Problem is the small manufacturers couldn't either pay for that level of advertising or satisfy the demand without turning themselves i…

> once the software is ready

1999 will be the year of Linux on the desktop.

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It's cool that he's writing his own shell but I think that Ubuntu Touch as maintained by Ubports is worth a mention as it's going to be one of the available options for the Pine Phone. The UI is slick and well developed. The app ecosystem isn't amazing but you get a browser, choice of Telegram clients, Signal client etc. You can get an idea of the range of apps here https://open-store.io/?sort=-updated_date&type=app…

I keep thinking that we might take this opportunity of rebuilding an OS from the ground up to implement something like Plan 9. The usual adoption issue of drivers and apps seems irrelevant here. Fundamentally, its distributed nature would allow far greater integration between desktop and mobile hardware. Mobile + laptop + NAS would be so deeply integrated that they would better be considered a single computer with mu…

You might be interested in https://youtube.com/watch?v=LYPBAckCEQo

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MMS is just a SMS with a hash or link which combined with a HTTP proxy is then automatically loaded. It is a way to remotely load a picture, on a remote device. Not sure I actually want that feature. I always disable it on my SIM card. Not trying to downplay, other people might prefer it. VoLTE provides a security and usability benefit over 2G, as does not using 2G/3G as backward compatibility. Has anyone in Europe u…

The killer feature I use MMS for is group texts. In an ideal world I could host my own matrix channel on my server to use, but I know that I would have exactly one user on it. I refuse to use WhatsApp/Facebook messenger/Viber/your favorite chat program, and MMS is the least common denominator.

Why is MMS better then your favorite chat program?

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Is that really where the goalpost is though? I thought everyone accepted that the modem itself would always be proprietary, and that was OK as long as it had a killswitch and no ability to directly interfere with the main processor or RAM. (The mostly-userland stack to drive the modem to send SMS etc. would be open.) It seems right to me that the FCC et al shouldn't allow uncertified amateur radio firmwares.

Depends on the human defining where the goalpost is, what their threat model is and their philosophy etc. There are certainly folks who want open basebands enough to work on them, for example there are folks working on porting the Osmocom baseband codebase to Mediatek based phones. https://osmocom.org/projects/baseband https://media.ccc.de/v/osmodevcon2019-109-osmocombb-layer1-o...

Want and need are different. If you don't have a phone now, you might wait for an open baseband. If you have a a closed phone now, it's silly to wait.
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