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Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by monknomo »

pbourke wrote: post #155
chrisseaton wrote: post #94

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> Please use good ol' plaintext They are plaintext. They’re Unicode characters just like abc. There’s nothing special about them!

What’s special is that they are inherently visual instead of symbolic. What happens when the culture shifts and :bug: is replaced by :pile-of-shit: ? We now must remember that 5 years ago, we used :bug: to mean software defect but after that one blog post we all use :pile-of-shit:? It’s like the second derivative of the floppy-disk-means-save problem, but pushed into our terminals where despite their drawbacks things…

What happens when the culture shifts and "bug" is used to mean "software defect" and "story" is used to mean "action item"?

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by reaperducer »

rahuldottech wrote: post #3

That's a no from me. I am not a huge fan of emoji. Especially not in the cli or editor. Emoji are hard to type on non-mobile platforms, and are difficult to search for in logs or files. Often they don't render properly. They're near impossible to deal with from the command-line. Not to mention the accessibility issues. I see no reason why these cannot be accomplished with tags/flairs such as [critical], [bug], etc. T…

Emoji are hard to type on non-mobile platforms, and are difficult to search for in logs or files. Often they don't render properly. They're near impossible to deal with from the command-line.

While I agree that emoji shouldn't be used in git, it's worth noting that the limitations you point out are platform-specific, and not universal.

in macOS, emoji work very well in any app that chooses to allow them, including the terminal. Typing emoji is as simple as double-clicking on the character you want from the pane that pops down from the menu bar.

Linux may not have first-class support for emoji, and Windows may not have first-class support for emoji. But those are limitations of the operating systems, and not of the emoji, themselves.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by FroshKiller »

josteink wrote: post #91
FroshKiller wrote: post #80

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It wouldn't have even occurred to me if you hadn't specifically mentioned it, which now makes me suspect it does have something to do with the fact a woman proposed it.

We have enough example of internet-outrage caused by tech-guys treating tech-women as peers. That is outrage over "hostility towards tech-women" when what is actually happened was that guys criticized women equally as they would have criticized men. Even seemingly respectable organizations like the Linux Foundations have fallen prey to such nonsense fronted by (racist!) twitter lynch-mobs[1]. You'd think this be a pr…

That hashtag definitely does not change my mind.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by reaperducer »

iaml wrote: post #64
GeneralMaximus wrote: post #45

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Only programmers from English-speaking countries like ASCII. There are millions of us living in other countries who are thankful that Unicode exists, and who are constantly annoyed that a some of our tools don't support it well enough. As someone who grew up bilingual in a country where it's not uncommon for people to speak three or more languages, I hate the idea of being prevented from using one of the languages I…

As a person from another country speaking not-english, I just switch all my devices to english nowadays.

I think this is more common than the HN crowd assumes.

As someone who develops multi-lingual web sites, I can say that the vast majority of the people who visit the sites and then request a language other than English still have their computer/browser configured for English.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by spadros »

chrisseaton wrote: post #139
nkrisc wrote: post #125

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Precisely. Even when writing by hand, where there are no character encoding limitations, I've never seen anyone add the accents to "fiance" or "cafe" or "resume" when writing in English.

> I've never seen anyone add the accents to "fiance" or "cafe" or "resume" when writing in English. We have café all the way from McDonalds up to Buckingham Palace. https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/menu/mccafe.html https://www.rct.uk/visit/the-state-rooms-buckingham-palace

"I only see such spellings when people are trying to convey some sort of sophistication"

McCafe and Buckingham Palace would want the "sophistication angle". Both spellings work obviously, but IMO (and the majority of English books) "cafe" is the "correct" spelling.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=caf%C3%A9%2Cca...

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by zuppy »

nkrisc wrote: post #130
DagAgren wrote: post #123

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Accents and diacriticals are far from "hyper specialised", they are how many people are taught to write, and want to write. And - is not a dash, it is a minus. It does not suffice as a replacement for a real en or em dash in a properly typeset text. This is also not "specialised", it is how English is correctly typeset.

And yet accents and diacritical marks are not widely used nor any longer exclusively "proper." You're fighting a losing battle. Language is changing underneath you, no matter how tightly you cling to it.

My name contains diacritics. Are you proposing that I should change my name? Because if so, that’s pretty condescending.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by kickopotomus »

SifJar wrote: post #106
Liquidor wrote: post #79

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> Doesn't 'fix' already mean there was a bug, that was 'fix'-ed? Read this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3580013/should-i-use-pas... TLDR from the Git repo: Describe your changes in imperative mood, e.g. "make xyzzy do frotz" instead of "[This patch] makes xyzzy do frotz" or "[I] changed xyzzy to do frotz", as if you are giving orders to the codebase to change its behavior. People have different opinions on wh…

I don't think this answers the question?

Agreed. I think this actually argues in favor of using a [fix] tag over [bug].

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by spadros »

DagAgren wrote: post #74
rahuldottech wrote: post #61

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A decent chunk of programmers use GNU/Linux distros. Support is very lacking there.

"Programmers don't like this because Linux is shit" isn't a great argument against anything, really.

"Programmers don't like this (shit) tool addition you wrote because it doesn't work with the existing (shit) programming tools" is a better paraphrase TBH.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by gear54rus »

warent wrote: post #166
gear54rus wrote: post #149

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And imagine how much programming and debugging effort could be saved worldwide if everyone did as you and I do.

This is completely absurd. English is my only language but I would never hope for something like this. We're not supposed to cater to the needs of our tools; we're supposed to make technology cater to our needs. Following your logic to its natural conclusion, think about how much programming and debugging effort could be saved worldwide if we just stopped using machines and their features altogether.

You learn the language to communicate with everyone else on the planet. Computers are tools for manipulating and transferring information so spend time learning their language. Instead of wasting colossal effort catering to needs of everyone let everyone spend some time learning the language of everyone else.

Re: Gitmoji – Yay or Nay?

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Post by dpau »

big_chungus wrote: post #121
chrisseaton wrote: post #114

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How do I write a letter to my fiancé? What do I do when I want to take a break and go to a café? How can I write about that cornerstone of English myth and legend, Bēowulf?

You write just like everyone normally writes, by dropping the accent. I only see such spellings when people are trying to convey some sort of sophistication, rather than in casual, day-to-day use.

it's weird that when i search for "cafe dictionary" in google all the dictionaries except the Oxford Learner's Dictionary spell it as "café"
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