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Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by rsync » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 9:15 PM UTC

criddell wrote: post #122

rsync wrote: post #79

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Actually, your parent is correct: it is sexist . It makes a distinction based on sex. It is sexism. It is not, however, negative , as your parent implied.

I've never heard sexist used to just indicate a distinction by sex. Google tells me sexist means: > characterized by or showing prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex That sounds negative to me.

I didn't ask google - I looked it up in the M-W dictionary:

1 : prejudice or discrimination based on sex

... and "discrimination" is what the op expressed. It is a synonym for "distinction":

Discrimination: 2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing

Discrimination is not necessarily negative - I suspect you hold many discriminating views on all number of topics be they wine, television shows, musical groups, etc. I personally hope to continue to become more and more discriminating as I learn and grow.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by zrobotics » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 9:15 PM UTC

streb-lo wrote: post #150

munificent wrote: post #32

I live in Seattle where the IPA thing is just out of hand. My uncharitable pet theory is this: A certain class of men (sometimes women, but it's almost always men) get interested in something and then desire to make it part of their identity. That in turn means they want to convey that they are more into it than other people. Their passion expresses itself as competition. Most people that aren't really into beer don'…

>My uncharitable pet theory is this: A certain class of men (sometimes women, but it's almost always men) get interested in something and then desire to make it part of their identity. That in turn means they want to convey that they are more into it than other people. Their passion expresses itself as competition. So hacker news and technophiles? Good grief you sound worse than the people you are criticizing. Heaven…

Liking a hobby/activity isn't a problem. The problem is when people start gatekeeping (such as "no real programmer uses Javascript", etc). For instance, I like whisky, but I actively hate most whisky aficionados because it often just turns into a competition of "who bought the rarest/most expensive bottle" rather than "I like this brand/year". This behavior definitely occurs in the tech sphere (I've been judged for using Windows, since no real programmer would possibly be able to use anything besides mac/linux), but this behavior is always obnoxious and drives people away from activities.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by CDSlice » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 9:16 PM UTC

munificent wrote: post #158

ljm wrote: post #78

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It feels a little cynical. You can enjoy beer and music and stuff without getting into a dick measuring contest. If all they want to do is one-up you then they’re not your friend. Find someone who listens to you. If that’s their way of enjoying things, then what’s so bad about it? They presumably dislike a lot of the hobbies you enjoy, they’re not out there to ‘mentrify’ them. (Why this gendered insulting is okay whe…

> You can enjoy beer and music and stuff without getting into a dick measuring contest. Sure, and most do, across genders. > If that’s their way of enjoying things, then what’s so bad about it? Every act tends to have social/economic implications that affect how others participate, even if unintentional. Walk into a bar now, and often eight out of the ten taps are high IBU IPAs. Fewer choices for people that aren't i…

>> (Why this gendered insulting is okay when it’s aimed against men, I don’t know.)

> Men collectively have enough power to handle a funny critical term without risk of being marginalized.

What does men collectively have enough power even mean? It's not like all the men in the world work together to decide the fate of all the poor, powerless women. Where is black men's power? Where is the homeless white men's power? And why should risk of being marginalized factor into it? Insulting a very large fraction of humanity for the actions of a small subset shouldn't be OK no matter who it is. Would insulting all Muslims for the actions of a few fringe sects be OK? I mean, they should collectively have enough power to handle it, they even run whole countries!

Decry the actions of bros all you want, but why expand that to saying all men do this as "mentrification" implies? Doing so is both inaccurate and hurtful to many people for no reason other than feeling smug that some man (who most likely isn't very privileged) finally got their comeuppance.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by DonaldFisk » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 9:16 PM UTC

smogcutter wrote: post #144

hyperbovine wrote: post #103

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> Bud on draft is fine. Oh man, was with you till the very end. Most places will have something on tap that qualifies as real beer. PBR, Yuengling, Stella, and Pilsner Urquell are all great lagers. Confronted with 40 taps of HOPULUS PRIME (or whatever), I'll happily swill them all day in a non-ironic, non-cheapskate, non-hipster fashion. But rice adjuncts? No thank you.

I also enjoy all of those more than bud (except maybe PBR), but it’s worth pointing out that they’re all brewed with corn. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s not any better than using rice. It’s still a grain sugar that isn’t barley.

Pilsner Urquell doesn't contain corn: https://plzenguide.com/pilsner-beer-pilsner-urquell.html#ing...

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by asdff » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 9:17 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #2

My personal taste complaint with a lot of people who open a brewery... Everyone seems to think that more hops = better beer. There are so many other possible flavors and types to a beer than some type of IPA that is absolutely overloaded with hops. But that seems to be a very common type of thing to brew. When I open something and am assaulted with the aroma of hops, it's not appealing anymore. It was interesting 7-8…

Brewerys usually have dozens of beers. If it is predominantly IPA, then that's because it's selling like hotcakes. Personally, I don't really care for the taste. I can take it or leave it. But if I'm looking to buy >$10 beers, I'm going for the highest ABV which is going to be an IPA. Sometimes you get two for one, essentially.

You can't even trust bartenders to pour proper wells these days, charging $13 for an 8oz glass of Coca Cola and a drop of well brand just so you can see them reach for the bottle. The IPA fits in line with my boozehound on a budget lifestyle and always is the stated ABV.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by anm89 » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 9:19 PM UTC

munificent wrote: post #32

I live in Seattle where the IPA thing is just out of hand. My uncharitable pet theory is this: A certain class of men (sometimes women, but it's almost always men) get interested in something and then desire to make it part of their identity. That in turn means they want to convey that they are more into it than other people. Their passion expresses itself as competition. Most people that aren't really into beer don'…

My uncharitable pet theory is this: a certain class of people who are deeply unhappy with themselves don't like to see other people enjoying things they don't like or understand because they themselves have not filled this void in their own lives. Because these people need to seek out confirmation from a larger group on everything they do to compensate for their own lack of of self perceived self worth, and because gender or race are the largest groups available, they need to frame everything in term of a group struggle regarding race or gender to guarantee there is a built in audience to cheer them on at every step and reaffirm their worth and place in the social hierarchy.

It's gross.

Also I hate IPAs.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by asdff » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 9:19 PM UTC

gkilmain wrote: post #92

legitster wrote: post #57

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I love me a good IPA, but there is a certain type of person I call the "IPA bro" who goes out of their way to order whatever has the highest ABV or IBU every time. I think it's like how hot sauce guys must have the hottest thing. I've talked to many brewers and they said they would love to make more pales and lagers and sessions but that they don't sell.

Have you ever thought that maybe Ipa Bro just wants to get drunk?

That's how I booze on a budget at least. Rents are high enough!

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by scrumper » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 9:26 PM UTC

munificent wrote: post #161

microtherion wrote: post #121

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> A certain class of men (sometimes women, but it's almost always men) get interested in something and then desire to make it part of their identity. That in turn means they want to convey that they are more into it than other people. Their passion expresses itself as competition. Absolutely! I'm seeing the same thing in chocolate, where people chase cocoa %ages, and spicy food, where people brag about how many Scovi…

Oh, those are great examples too. And, again, you see it happening clearly because they managed to conjure up some weird-ass numeric score for it.

It's a fun and clever little label for a trend that's quite obvious when it's pointed out!

Someone upthread mentioned stinky cheese, dry wine, and peaty Islay Scotch. Those things don't yet have absolute metrics - it'd be amusing to see what happens if they ever do.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by scrumper » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 9:28 PM UTC

seiferteric wrote: post #128

uxp100 wrote: post #111

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"Mentrification" suggests that men enter women's hobbies and ruin them. It also suggests that there is a right and wrong way to engage with things (See conversations about how men and women engage with fiction differently, analysis vs elaboration, power rankings vs fan-fiction, etc). Rather than saying the word "mentrification" is sexist, which is a complex question (like nobody is being hurt because someone on twitt…

I agree that Mentrification is not the right word. The OP was implying it can happen in hobbies already dominated by men, not just hobbies dominated by woman. Perhaps Brotrification would be better.

Which'd then lose the clever linkage to "metrification" which is what it's all about.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by mrob » Tue, Dec 03, 2019, 9:30 PM UTC

amyjess wrote: post #131

tomjakubowski wrote: post #38

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> Is there really any flavor to IPAs with IBUs that are through the roof? No, not at all. Yes, there is good, tasty flavor to hops, provided you're not on the sensitive side of the bitter tasting spectrum. The bitter flavor overwhelms everything for some, but not all. If you're curious, there are bitter tasting test strips like these which not everyone is sensitive to. https://www.amazon.com/Nasco-PTC-Paper-Strips-Vi…

> Yes, there is good, tasty flavor to hops, provided you're not on the sensitive side of the bitter tasting spectrum. I'd also add "provided you didn't boil the shit out of them, destroying the essential oils and isomerizing the alpha acids". Generally speaking, a particular batch of hops can add either bitterness or flavor but not both. If you want both, you add multiple batches. A little rundown of the chemicals in…

>After the boil is over. This is called "dry-hopping". This contributes no bitterness whatsoever

In my experience, heavy dry-hopping contributes noticeable bitterness. If you have access to hops this is easy enough to confirm: get some lightly hopped beer, add a lot of hops (heavily hopped New England style IPAs can use 1oz/gal or more for dry hopping), and let it sit for a few days. After you've strained the hops out you should be able to taste the extra bitterness in the beer. A quick web search found this blog post with some explanation:

https://www.beervanablog.com/beervana/2017/4/17/yes-dry-hopp...