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Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by mav3rick »

supernova87a wrote: post #164

I echo the point that this is merely a symptom of SF's inability to be a little bit more hardnosed and solve its problems. As an example: I called 311/911 to report a trio of homeless guys, operating a bike chop shop in broad daylight on a Saturday in downtown (and blocking the sidewalk, and creating piles of junk). The operator said that she would report this to the "neighborhood outreach / management team" or somet…

I've seen open drug trade and violence unprosecuted. A lot of police officers complain that the DA lets most cases go.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by mav3rick »

TwoNineFive wrote: post #167

I am in the middle of an interview process with a company in SF right now. I like the company and the job but I'm not sure about SF. I had already been thinking about the well-known poop problems before I saw this post. This will be a factor in my decision to take the job or not.

If you live in a nice neighborhood it's not an issue.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by inferiorhuman »

leesalminen wrote: post #161
inferiorhuman wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only place I’ve ever seen human feces on a public street is in SF and I’ve been to every major US city. Are you not looking then? SF isn't even the only place in the Bay Area I've seen shit on the sidewalk.

I don't think I'd consider any other city in the Bay Area a major US city. Maybe it's just California then? I've literally never seen this on the east coast, mid-west or south.

San Francisco is worse than any city I've been to but it's hardly the only one (major or not) with shit on the sidewalks. On the East Coast I've run into shit in Brooklyn, for instance.

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Post by vsef »

paulddraper wrote: post #138
umeshunni wrote: post #83

More broadly, the San Francisco livability crisis is out of control. Poop is only a visible and easily disagreeable symptom of the broader problem. The local government can patch symptoms of the problem but some of them (housing, mental health, opioid epidemic) are state-level or national problems that the local government have very little power or ability to solve. Some of the law and order issues are issues the loc…

> state-level or national problems Sincere question: Why does San Francisco seem to be the only one with those news stories (not NYC, LA, Chicago, Miami, etc.)?

LA and San Diego have both had ongoing major news stories involving hepatitis outbreaks due to unsanitary homeless conditions, I think you are just noticing SF stories.

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Post by supernova87a »

mav3rick wrote: post #171
supernova87a wrote: post #164

I echo the point that this is merely a symptom of SF's inability to be a little bit more hardnosed and solve its problems. As an example: I called 311/911 to report a trio of homeless guys, operating a bike chop shop in broad daylight on a Saturday in downtown (and blocking the sidewalk, and creating piles of junk). The operator said that she would report this to the "neighborhood outreach / management team" or somet…

I've seen open drug trade and violence unprosecuted. A lot of police officers complain that the DA lets most cases go.

And we just elected a new DA whose promise is to reduce inequality in the system, presumably by ignoring yet more crime.

It's a combination of it being too expensive to hire police officers with the cost of living here, part of the citizenry thinking that "equity" and disincentivizing police from doing their jobs properly = good, and the divide between rich and poor insulating some people from seeing what their decisions cause.

I was not surprised at all at the stabbing / murder on Bart last week. In my travels in Bay Area, I have not seen 1 officer on a Bart train in my entire 10 years here. Even on Caltrain, the conductors have no authority to do anything.

It's like we actively try not to enforce laws here.

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Post by pesfandiar »

supernova87a wrote: post #164

I echo the point that this is merely a symptom of SF's inability to be a little bit more hardnosed and solve its problems. As an example: I called 311/911 to report a trio of homeless guys, operating a bike chop shop in broad daylight on a Saturday in downtown (and blocking the sidewalk, and creating piles of junk). The operator said that she would report this to the "neighborhood outreach / management team" or somet…

This has been the trend in Vancouver, BC as well. Property crime under a certain amount has (de facto) been decriminalized, especially if the perps are perceived to be drug addicts or living in the streets otherwise. The main problems here are limited law enforcement budget, and lenient justice system that merely results in catch-and-release operations for the police.

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Post by ethanbond »

jupp0r wrote: post #121
ng12 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not at all a SF problem, it's a metropolitan city problem. NYC, Boston, Denver, Austin, Boise, both Portlands, etc all have the same housing crisis. The truth is well-paying (i.e. middle class) jobs are coalescing in a small number of cities which have failed to adapt to the growth. As a software engineer this means I can either make great money in one of the aforementioned cities or a fraction of it in an "off-…

There are some cities that seem to have better salary/cost of living ratios. I'm thinking of places like Boulder, CO or Provo, UT.

One might ask why increasing productivity in a region leads to higher cost of living (rent).

Well, that one is pretty obvious. Landlords will charge the highest prices they can get away with.

The more interesting question is why landlords are supposedly entitled to all of the new wealth. After all they had no role in creating any of it.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by LoSboccacc »

gojomo wrote: post #148
LoSboccacc wrote: post #88

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this went from being environmentally sensitive to culling species wholesale real fast remember last time we culled cats what happened?

I don't "remember" what happened last time "we" culled cats, so what happened? (If you're alluding to the idea that the "black death" plagues were worsened by cat culls, that's an oft-repeated story but somewhat dubious with regard to verifiable facts. Cats themselves can carry the plague bacteria & transmit it to humans – eg https://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/08/us/house-cats-spread-huma... – and even regions where cat…

lol no

first of all you have to control prey population because pests will balloon with the increased safety and consume resources, strangling the prey population.

secondly if you can't control the whole area Predator population will follow the pest increase, often resulting in larger problems or an out of control spiral of environmental issues

you don't have to go back to pre scientific anecdotes like the stories around the pest, just check the Australia history with cats and rabbits

here's a substantial population study with ferrets in UK https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10530-011-9965-2

mainland control is only worse

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