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Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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The article once more reiterates the fact that Apple doesn't allow other browser engines. You cannot even fight, there is no future ;-) on iOS.

It’s nowhere as good or fine-grained as uBlock origin, but I’m surprised no one ever seems to mention (or use?) Firefox Focus and it’s associated Safari content blocker. Seems to work really well for me on my iPad and iPhone, at least for general ad blocking.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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Never forget that mozilla puts meta bulls * before solving problems. Their "spec hackers" decided to kill WebSQL, because of they feared that the available implementation was so HIGH quality that there wouldn't be any implementation diversity. Instead they gave us the indexedDB garbage dump. Firefox and Mozilla can go straight to oblivion for all I care.

No, because the spec did not actually specify enough to allow implementation diversity or even just the available implementation be updated to a new version that breaks backwards compatibility, and apparently none of the proposers cared enough about the spec to do the work of documenting the intended behavior. WebSQL implementations later proved to be insecure by not limiting the kind of queries allowed, and strictly…

Just use the SQLite implementation and documentation everywhere. SQLite is arguably the most well tested piece of software on the planet.

It would have been the only piece of every browser that 'just works'.

But hey having a "spec" on top to all the available documentation is super necessary so that some bloke on twitter can put it into their bio.

Even HTML doesn't have specs anymore, because they don't matter. They are a means to get all browsers to be compatible not the goal.

And Safari and Chrome still ship with WebSQL, so I don't think that "security issue" is actually there.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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No, because the spec did not actually specify enough to allow implementation diversity or even just the available implementation be updated to a new version that breaks backwards compatibility, and apparently none of the proposers cared enough about the spec to do the work of documenting the intended behavior. WebSQL implementations later proved to be insecure by not limiting the kind of queries allowed, and strictly…

Just use the SQLite implementation and documentation everywhere. SQLite is arguably the most well tested piece of software on the planet. It would have been the only piece of every browser that 'just works'. But hey having a "spec" on top to all the available documentation is super necessary so that some bloke on twitter can put it into their bio. Even HTML doesn't have specs anymore, because they don't matter. They…

I'm not sure where you get the idea that HTML does not have a specification? It has a very extensive one.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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The article once more reiterates the fact that Apple doesn't allow other browser engines. You cannot even fight, there is no future ;-) on iOS.

That's a convenient excuse on iOS, but Firefox is doing poorly on macOS, too, where no such restriction exists. According to the first statistics I found, Firefox is only about half as popular on the Mac as it in on Windows -- and it's still under 10% there, too. Privacy-compromising systems aren't winning today because people seek out systems that compromise their privacy. They're winning because these companies foc…

> According to the first statistics I found, Firefox is only about half as popular on the Mac as it in on Windows

Wich is not much of a surprise. If you educate your customer base to use one browser, many won't switch. See the lawsuits against Microsoft because of IE.

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Just use the SQLite implementation and documentation everywhere. SQLite is arguably the most well tested piece of software on the planet. It would have been the only piece of every browser that 'just works'. But hey having a "spec" on top to all the available documentation is super necessary so that some bloke on twitter can put it into their bio. Even HTML doesn't have specs anymore, because they don't matter. They…

I'm not sure where you get the idea that HTML does not have a specification? It has a very extensive one.

Its not a specification though, its a "living standard" a.k.a. we document the stuff we build as we go.

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That's a convenient excuse on iOS, but Firefox is doing poorly on macOS, too, where no such restriction exists. According to the first statistics I found, Firefox is only about half as popular on the Mac as it in on Windows -- and it's still under 10% there, too. Privacy-compromising systems aren't winning today because people seek out systems that compromise their privacy. They're winning because these companies foc…

I'm trying to think of a UI difference in chrome or safari that is meaningful, can't come up with one. Can you elaborate?

i have way too many tabs open at all times, and chrome makes it way way easier to see what I have open and get to the tab I want quickly.(it just shows more tabs than Firefox, this is my main complaint) The top bar uses less vertical real estate and is just much cleaner overall. I can see more if not all of the url. Chromes next tab left, next tab right, and close tab, automatically map to the keyboard shortcut I set in macOS, and I still haven’t even found the menu option for next and previous tab in Firefox. (I’m sure it’s there and I just haven’t found it yet, but if it’s not there, that’s a deal breaker for me)

I very badly want to use Firefox as my main browser, and I have it installed and give it a go every now and then, but it’s just not all the way there yet for me.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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That's a convenient excuse on iOS, but Firefox is doing poorly on macOS, too, where no such restriction exists. According to the first statistics I found, Firefox is only about half as popular on the Mac as it in on Windows -- and it's still under 10% there, too. Privacy-compromising systems aren't winning today because people seek out systems that compromise their privacy. They're winning because these companies foc…

> Privacy is important, but it's a feature, not a product. You still need to have a great product. Do you consider Firefox to be a less-than-great product? I use it as my main browser, from Windows 10. No complaints. I don't experience performance issues or UI issues. Chrome and Firefox are both solid browsers, on Windows at least. Perhaps Firefox for Mac is a weaker product, and loses to Safari 'fair and square' on…

Firefox for Mac has been more or less unusable up until the most recent release where they actually started using the Core Animation libraries in macOS. Now it won’t drain all the battery in no time, and it’s actually quite snappy. I’ve tried to run Firefox so many times in the past, but eventually always go back to Safari because it’s more native, fast and unobtrusive.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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The article once more reiterates the fact that Apple doesn't allow other browser engines. You cannot even fight, there is no future ;-) on iOS.

That's a convenient excuse on iOS, but Firefox is doing poorly on macOS, too, where no such restriction exists. According to the first statistics I found, Firefox is only about half as popular on the Mac as it in on Windows -- and it's still under 10% there, too. Privacy-compromising systems aren't winning today because people seek out systems that compromise their privacy. They're winning because these companies foc…

Actually, Apple is giving privacy the product treatment: https://www.apple.com/privacy/

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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I'm not sure where you get the idea that HTML does not have a specification? It has a very extensive one.

Its not a specification though, its a "living standard" a.k.a. we document the stuff we build as we go.

A living standard is a form of specification. You can use it to implement a tool consuming HTML the same way the browsers do from scratch, and the browsers use the process to align their independent implementations.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a convenient excuse on iOS, but Firefox is doing poorly on macOS, too, where no such restriction exists. According to the first statistics I found, Firefox is only about half as popular on the Mac as it in on Windows -- and it's still under 10% there, too. Privacy-compromising systems aren't winning today because people seek out systems that compromise their privacy. They're winning because these companies foc…

> Privacy is important, but it's a feature, not a product. You still need to have a great product. Do you consider Firefox to be a less-than-great product? I use it as my main browser, from Windows 10. No complaints. I don't experience performance issues or UI issues. Chrome and Firefox are both solid browsers, on Windows at least. Perhaps Firefox for Mac is a weaker product, and loses to Safari 'fair and square' on…

>Perhaps Firefox for Mac is a weaker product, and loses to Safari 'fair and square' on quality grounds?

The current version of Firefox on macOS is a vast improvement over what Mozilla was shipping 6-12 months ago.

However, it still requires more RAM, doesn’t render as quickly and consumes more power than Safari, so there’s that. Also, Safari implemented anti-tracking features before Firefox did.

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