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I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s

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Science becomes corrupted when the research focuses on finding proof of and ideal instead disproving it. There are no aliens. With the money wasted on looking for aliens we could have saved millions of lives with clean water, shelter, food and education. Scientists need to stop deluding themselves and tricking congress into funding pet projects that are so far fetched they border on fraud.

Total world expenditure on science projects of any kind at all is downright negligible compared to biggest expenses, such as military, as pointed out...Life conditions, solutions to pollution, most harming diseases etc, could all be fairly easily solved in rather short timespans of 5-20 years probably. The thing that's missing is not the money, it's the humanity's collective consciousness, maturity and responsibility - instead of all I mentioned above, we're still very much busy throwing feces at each other over imaginary borders, or deadly fairytales called religions, and trying to earn more than our peers, so we can buy a shinier thing they will envy.

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I highly doubt that. If the genetics, the silicon revolution, access to space imagery, quality education, the internet and science in general did not alter faith in a drastic way I don't think 'life on Mars' is going to do anything either unless it comes in the form of little green creatures.

Curious that you don't recognize a significant shift in religious thought in the last century.

What shift would that be?

Until the 1970's or so it was getting better, since then it's gotten worse if anything.

On the Christian side we have whole continents that are following some cliff notes' version of Christianity, mostly centered around money and some opportunistic politics. On the Islamic side a small group of fanatics has managed to divide the world in a way that seemed unthinkable 25 years ago and so on.

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There is life on Mars -- JPL just doesn't want to tell us. Follow this logic: 1) two planets in habitable zone - both spontaneously cause life; 2) then many or most habitable zone planets have life; 3) Of the trillions of stars in our galaxy, there must be multitudes that have hosted intelligent life; 4) we don't hear SETI signals; 5) that means SETI must have snuffed themselves out with some super-technology; 6) erg…

The biological plausible explanation is that there simply has not been enough time for other civilizations to form up. It took us 4 billion years to reach civilization from primordial goo. Apparently not many planets remain habitable that long. It does not matter if you have a trillion planets if they don't remain stable long enough.

In all the vastness of the universe, “we were the first” is a stupendously implausible hypothesis compared to “we were the only”.

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I read your whole post and all I can come up with is that if we found life of any sort on another planet it would completely change my internal narrative and I guarantee I'm not the only one. This would in a subtle or unsubtle way gradually influence literally most of the decisions we make on earth.

> Life of any sort Aside from the narrow one involving the oxidization of carbon, I have a hard time coming up with a definition of life that doesn’t consider storms, planets, or star systems “alive”. In particular, they are all time-limited phenomena that are organized but somewhat unpredictable at macro scale and chaotic at micro scale.

Most of them aren’t self-replicating.

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What, no mention of ALH84001? I was mesmerized by the live TV press conference by a large group of NASA scientists back in 1996 of evidence of life on Mars from the analysis of a meteorite: "Scientists headed by David McKay of the JohnsonSpaceCenter in Houston found that the rock, called ALH84001, had a peculiar chemical makeup. It contained a combination of minerals and carbon compounds that on Earth are created by…

I fear that the “it’s never aliens” credo was taken to the pathological case. Nothing can be life so why look for it? Nothing can be life, so any really complicated scenario not involving life must be true, always.

It also depends on your definition of live.

The best broad test to look for life would be to look for an entropy source.

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What, no mention of ALH84001? I was mesmerized by the live TV press conference by a large group of NASA scientists back in 1996 of evidence of life on Mars from the analysis of a meteorite: "Scientists headed by David McKay of the JohnsonSpaceCenter in Houston found that the rock, called ALH84001, had a peculiar chemical makeup. It contained a combination of minerals and carbon compounds that on Earth are created by…

I fear that the “it’s never aliens” credo was taken to the pathological case. Nothing can be life so why look for it? Nothing can be life, so any really complicated scenario not involving life must be true, always.

I think it's because when it is actually alien life the expectation is it will be obvious. If we are splitting hairs to find it we probably haven't found it yet.

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The biological plausible explanation is that there simply has not been enough time for other civilizations to form up. It took us 4 billion years to reach civilization from primordial goo. Apparently not many planets remain habitable that long. It does not matter if you have a trillion planets if they don't remain stable long enough.

In all the vastness of the universe, “we were the first” is a stupendously implausible hypothesis compared to “we were the only”.

If "we were the only" is true so is "we were the first" ...

However, there exists or has existed one planet with the first civilization ever.

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Extraordinary claims need extraordinary data. We don't have this data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_lander_biological_exper... It is "inconclusive" at best.

The author is not claiming that he knows for sure. Based on his involvement in the project, he has strong reasons to believe it. He is calling for more research in this area. It's similar to NASA's claim that life on Mars is likely to be found by 2021.

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Science is not about finding life per-se, it's about satisfying curiosity. Articles like these conflate real science (satisfying human curiosity) with finding life on other planets (we're not alone). Of course, finding life on another planet would be an amazing discovery, but for any true believer in science, it would just be the beginning of a million more questions, not the end goal.

While Scientific discovery would never stop, a milestone like this would be significant. And it would warrant awe.
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