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NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by MikeHolman »

justaduderr wrote: post #65
5trokerac3 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything from that list is from within the last 60 years. While China was murdering between 60 to 100 million of its citizens, America passed the Civil Rights Act.

I don't have too much time to educate you on these things but just to note: Re: "60 to 100 million of its citizens" is just straight up wrong. There was a Great Famine in China* - Mao did not murder up to 100 million citizens. Are you serious? Your own source says as much. Re: Social Credit System (SCS) - By pretty much every metric the SCS has not resulted in massive discrimination on the scale of racism and sexism…

Mentioning the Civil War is ridiculous. It was a war that happened 150 years ago, and it resulted in the end of slavery in America. It's not like it was an act of oppression.

And by all accounts the situation in Xinjiang is much worse than Guantanamo Bay. To start, Guantanamo Bay at its peak had under 800 people imprisoned. Xinjiang re-education camps are estimated to hold 1-3 million people. So the scale is massively different. It's hard to know exactly what happens in the camps, but the reports of torture and organ harvesting don't paint a rosy picture.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by Aperocky »

martythemaniak wrote: post #132
IanDrake wrote: post #106

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>calling Hong Kong protesters “separatists”, etc. Devil's advocate here...Are they not separatist? If not, shouldn't they be? It's hard to imagine your "country" working on a death clock. In 2047 it all ends. So, what is the point of fighting the good fight at this point? Why not face the inevitable and leave while you can? Or fight for a final independence now, while you can?

Well, they have five demands and the most "radical" of them is being able to vote for your own representatives. Being represented in your own government is a far cry from being a separatist. Most separatists are probably protestors, but that does not imply most protestors are separatists.

Actually, I don't think that's radical at all.

It's to stop calling it a riot and release anybody who is arrested because of it.

Just because you're rioting for democracy, doesn't mean it's not a riot, and it doesn't grant those who used it as an opportunity to vandalize shops and destroy subways a free pass. That directly conflicts with the rule of law.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by inthenewsaklj »

i_am_nomad wrote: post #24

The NBA boycotted North Carolina over HB2 (the “bathroom bill”), but doesn’t have a problem doing business in China. I hope they go bankrupt.

It's easy to be woke in US. In fact it's very profitable.

> Whether the topic is Colin Kaepernick, mass shootings or President Donald Trump, the Golden State Warriors coach is rarely shy about speaking out on difficult, controversial subjects. Except on Monday. Kerr was asked about the controversy engulfing the NBA ... He didn’t have much to say.

https://sports.yahoo.com/outspoken-warriors-coach-steve-kerr...

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Post by davidw »

johnchristopher wrote: post #157
davidw wrote: post #56

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So what if it does? Some things are not worth that additional bump in stock prices.

$4B isn't a bump in stock prices though, right ? Anyway, I am not crying over the top 1% losing money over that, I am talking about the paycheck to paycheck workers whose means of subsistence depends on their employers doing okay. I am not saying Chinese products shouldn't be boycotted or that China shouldn't be pressured into aligning better with western values but who is going to pay in the end ?

If it's someone's job to dump raw industrial waste in the river, and stricter environmental regulations cause them to lose their job, I'm ok with that.

That's why we have unemployment benefits, and why most countries do things like have health care that's separate from employment.

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Post by avn2109 »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #161
avn2109 wrote: post #153

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>> "... kowtowing to fascists ..." "Fascists" is probably not a good description of the Chinese Communist Party, since Fascism is widely regarded as always and everywhere the diametric opposite/enemy of Communism and Communists. Examples of this include [0] and [1] and [2] and [3], which are the results of me googling "is fascism the enemy of communism?" for 5 seconds. Probably you mean "Totalitarians" or "Statists"…

> Fascism is widely regarded as always and everywhere the opposite/enemy of Communism and Communists. By who? Is there a reason for this? Fascism's self-description is basically just the motto "united we stand, divided we fall". It's right there in the name. As a philosophy, I know it best for strict intolerance of public dissent. That sort of thing undermines unity. And that's pretty much it. I would have said that…

>> "By who?"

First and foremost, by the inventors of fascism themselves, as I tried to show in some stealth edits in my comment above.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by tw04 »

tanilama wrote: post #87
tw04 wrote: post #67

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>the amount of money the NBA earns in China dwarfs its U.S. revenue. Source? >It already has basketball leagues. I guess it's a good thing I didn't say they don't. Partial quoting to try to make a point where there isn't one isn't very cool. >And considering that China has exported star players to the NBA, it's certainly a possibility. It's exported exactly one star: yao Ming, and one slightly above average player in…

Jeremy Lin is not Chinese.

>Lin is the first American of Chinese or Taiwanese descent to play in the NBA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Lin

Jeremy Lin is of Chinese descent. I didn't say he was born there.

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Post by yorwba »

rsync wrote: post #128

What if this blows up in the other direction ? How many Chinese will pay attention to "whatever those people are doing in Hong Kong" for the first time because of this ? Which is to say, what if lots of young Chinese stand up and take notice that they can't watch world class professional basketball anymore ? I am well aware that there is homegrown professional basketball in China, but the $4B number suggests they wan…

> How many Chinese will pay attention to "whatever those people are doing in Hong Kong" for the first time because of this ?

If they've been living under a rock where they didn't notice the defacement of the national emblem at the Liaison Office when it was widely condemned in the state media, they're not going to notice the NBA getting cancelled.

You can't expect them to miraculously find a source that doesn't condemn this as an attack on the national sovereignty of China by American imperialists.

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Post by pixelpoet »

badrequest wrote: post #102
paggle wrote: post #92

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As Michael Jordan didn't say... "Republicans buy sneakers too." Billionaires didn't get to be billionaires by leaving money on the table. We need large scale political action against China.

We need to adopt an economic system that doesn't prize currency above human dignity.

Isn't that what communism/Marxism is supposed to be? "Each according to his ability to each according to his needs?"

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Post by [deleted] »

avn2109 wrote: post #153
nostromo wrote: post #14

It's not much of a dilemma though, is it? Already-rich folks kowtowing to fascists for a quick buck is beyond pathetic. US companies should stop targeting China for growth. If they don't steal your IP completely, they'll eventually freeze you out like they just did the NBA. It's happened to many companies and will eventually happen to you too. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

>> "... kowtowing to fascists ..." "Fascists" is probably not a good description of the Chinese Communist Party, since Fascism is widely regarded as always and everywhere the diametric opposite/enemy of Communism and Communists. Examples of this include [0] and [1] and [2] and [3], which are the results of me googling "is fascism the enemy of communism?" for 5 seconds. Probably you mean "Totalitarians" or "Statists"…

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