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Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by Kiro »

onion2k wrote: post #98
Kiro wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A comparison to Rec Room or VRChat would make much more sense and be way more fitting to support your argument.

That Facebook Horizon video is exactly how Linden Lab marketed Second Life.

Sure but the parent post was talking about the graphics. Second Life looked good when it launched but is so old that it looks outdated. It tried to look realistic while both Horizon and Rec Room goes with the Mii look. My point is that Rec Room is a better comparison since it uses the same graphics style, is way more popular/up-to-date and is also VR.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by biztos »

DJHenk wrote: post #113
honzzz wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it is just me getting old but when I was watching that part when she was talking about "getting out there, trying new things, making your mark", something really deep in me was screaming NOOOO!, this is not right :-/ I was always into tech but this video makes me want to throw all my devices away, move to some old house in abandoned Spanish village and grow my own tomatoes. And the disturbing part is that I am…

> And the disturbing part is that I am not even sure why - on its face value it seems great And that is exactly the reason why it is not the right direction. Think about it. Why would one choose a virtual world over the new one? Because apparently the real world is not good enough. On the surface the virtual looks better, but if you engage in it, I think you will probably find out that it is as boring and hard as the…

On the A16Z podcast, Marc Andreessen (IIRC) said something like "VR is not for Silicon Valley where you wake up every day thinking of all the awesome things you can do. VR is for all the people whose everyday life is terrible."

When you think about it in those terms it gets seriously dystopian. You put your AR goggles on for your 10-hour shift at the Nike factory, then you pop a protein pill and put your VR goggles on for the rest of the day, spending your meagre income on whoever bid most for your eyeballs on Google.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by ptah »

Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #165
ptah wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you get to talk to people from all around the world i would say this is a bug not a feature. it should take time and effort to talk to people all over the world.

One of the most exciting things I remember about first getting the Internet in the 90s was (especially as a socially-anxious introvert) being able to jump on an IRC server and chat mostly anonymously with just a nickname, to people I didn't know, without the awkwardness that real-life interactions could bring me at the time. As a high-school kid, I could be on the same footing as a distinguished scientist. Or I could…

you were lucky to not get scammed or groomed sexually

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by megaremote »

auslander wrote: post #99
helloworld wrote: post #18

I wonder whether those legless avatars fall into the "uncanny valley": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Yeah, why no legs?

Because legs aren't tracked, they would be out of sync if you move, and it is easier just to leave them out.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by DJHenk »

growlist wrote: post #159
DJHenk wrote: post #113

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> And the disturbing part is that I am not even sure why - on its face value it seems great And that is exactly the reason why it is not the right direction. Think about it. Why would one choose a virtual world over the new one? Because apparently the real world is not good enough. On the surface the virtual looks better, but if you engage in it, I think you will probably find out that it is as boring and hard as the…

> People have lived for centuries without it. In those years there have both been plenty of fulfilled lives and unfulfilled lives. Clearly, the shiny happy virtual world is not a prerequisite for a fulfilled live. One could say the same about anaesthetic - but I'd still prefer to have the choice! But I won't be rushing to sign up for this. I don't use FB, and think they (& Google for that matter) are a malign force i…

Yes, I would prefer the anesthetic too. The difference between the two that it is very clear that the anesthetic is a tool. It makes it easier to accomplish something, but that something does not change whether you use the aid or not. Whereas the virtual world is often confused with being a new something that replaces the old one. That's why I said it could be useful as a tool, but not more.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by TheCabin »

crooked-v wrote: post #103

So... Second Life in VR, but run by Facebook? For me, the "but" is enough to completely outweigh any interest in the first part.

I totally get that this is irritating, however, there is also an advantage when run by someone like facebook: Users care about their existing profile and will behave better because of this (basically because they are not anonymous). IMHO, this is why FB marketplace works so nicely in the US.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by hos234 »

honzzz wrote: post #93
hw wrote: post #45

Is it just me or is their intro video disturbing? A world where your significant other is next to you but deep in their own virtual world? Hasn't Facebook done enough to disconnect people from the real world? Given the lengths Facebook has gone through to keep users engaged and addicted to their platform, what's stopping them from doing the same with Horizon?

Maybe it is just me getting old but when I was watching that part when she was talking about "getting out there, trying new things, making your mark", something really deep in me was screaming NOOOO!, this is not right :-/ I was always into tech but this video makes me want to throw all my devices away, move to some old house in abandoned Spanish village and grow my own tomatoes. And the disturbing part is that I am…

Don't pay attention to unimaginative people who pretend to be imaginative and creative (because its part of some job description and quarterly kpi) and you will be fine.

A well programmed Corporate Robot knows not to act like a visionary. Their job when they do it right, is to keep the factory lights on and set the stage up for the visionaries.

But some of these robots have bugs and end up getting up on to the stage and wasting everyones time.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by Fr0styMatt88 »

ptah wrote: post #173
Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the most exciting things I remember about first getting the Internet in the 90s was (especially as a socially-anxious introvert) being able to jump on an IRC server and chat mostly anonymously with just a nickname, to people I didn't know, without the awkwardness that real-life interactions could bring me at the time. As a high-school kid, I could be on the same footing as a distinguished scientist. Or I could…

you were lucky to not get scammed or groomed sexually

Certainly, but at the same time -- it wasn't a free-for-all. I was lucky that I'd been taught to be suspicious and to have boundaries long before the Internet. Of course that doesn't preclude anything from happening and luck does play a part. It just means I wouldn't have engaged in some risky behaviours - I wouldn't go giving strangers my phone number (this was before mobiles, so my phone number was my parent's phone number) or home address, for example. This was at a time when people hadn't even warmed up to the idea of using their credit cards online; my folks using their credit card to pay the monthly Internet bill was a way out-there thing at the time.

I also wasn't _that_ young - I don't think I touched IRC until I was around 15 or 16.

I remember the first in-real-life 'meetup' was a big thing; it was with members of an IRC chat group from our local area. I was real-life friends with some of the people already, so it wasn't an entire group of strangers. I don't think that even happened until I was out of high school.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by franky47 »

ghego1 wrote: post #101

This reminds me of the game Oasis seen in Ready Player one, but with all the awkwardness that comes with the kind of social interactions that fb has brought us, minus the game centric experience. I would really really want to be excited about this, as from a tech point of view it deserves a lot of credit, but unfortunately lately whatever comes from FB makes me think "thanks, but no thanks". Plus, for some reason whe…

The fact that Facebook is behind it reminds me of Nolan Sorrento's desire to increase advertising space in the Oasis [1].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpPE85Jogjw

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Post by Barrin92 »

hw wrote: post #45

Is it just me or is their intro video disturbing? A world where your significant other is next to you but deep in their own virtual world? Hasn't Facebook done enough to disconnect people from the real world? Given the lengths Facebook has gone through to keep users engaged and addicted to their platform, what's stopping them from doing the same with Horizon?

what certainly doesn't help is the graphics of the game which looks exactly like something out of a movie 20 years ago when people where making tons of VR dystopia sci-fi flicks
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