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Re: OSSU: A path to a free self-taught education in computer science

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I am not going to be baited into bashing specific people or universities. Feel free to arrive at whatever conclusion satisfies your thinking. I don’t care.

No one is trying to bait you into anything. But when you make an extraordinary claim, you need to provide some supporting evidence. Obviously you care whether or not people believe what you wrote to some extent, otherwise why did you take the time to write it at all? Who do you think you're going to harm? The University doesn't think there's anything wrong with what they did, because I guarantee the course requiremen…

> No one is trying to bait you into anything

OK, I retract "baiting". Still not going to publish anything more.

> you need to provide some supporting evidence

I don't.

> Obviously you care whether or not people believe what you wrote to some extent

I do, but...

> Who do you think you're going to harm?

My son.

> I guarantee the course requirements are publicly available.

Likely true. However the dynamics that lead to having no option but to take such a class without any balancing context --within the class or through a second class-- can only be had by experiencing the journey.

I realize what I going to say is a personal perspective and as such it is deeply biased:

To me, as a classically trained entrepreneur, neutral student of history and descendant of genocide survivors, teaching a distorted benevolent version of Marxism to kids while not teaching any of the massive downfalls, pain, suffering and death the utterly failed ideology produced is equivalent to, as an atheist, forcing religious dogma to atheists. There is nothing wrong with learning about both Marxism and religion. We should absolutely teach them, but they should be taught without distortion and in the context of other relevant knowledge.

If the goal is to indoctrinate, you exclude everything outside of the preferred ideology. If, on the other hand, the objective is to educate, you present as much of the human experience as possible, without favor for one or the other, teach students to reason critically and let them be.

As I suggested in my other response, if you are interested in a perspective on what has been going on in academia and how it happened, please watch this interview with an Oxford/Stanford/Harvard professor who chose to expose some of these issues and paid the price for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkNIOkGtnQ

Re: OSSU: A path to a free self-taught education in computer science

#172

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No one is trying to bait you into anything. But when you make an extraordinary claim, you need to provide some supporting evidence. Obviously you care whether or not people believe what you wrote to some extent, otherwise why did you take the time to write it at all? Who do you think you're going to harm? The University doesn't think there's anything wrong with what they did, because I guarantee the course requiremen…

> No one is trying to bait you into anything OK, I retract "baiting". Still not going to publish anything more. > you need to provide some supporting evidence I don't. > Obviously you care whether or not people believe what you wrote to some extent I do, but... > Who do you think you're going to harm? My son. > I guarantee the course requirements are publicly available. Likely true. However the dynamics that lead to…

>My son.

If you think that posting a comment on hacker news revealing that your son was forced to take a particular class that you disagree with is going to harm your son, you are being deeply paranoid.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkNIOkGtnQ

I went back to school to finish my CS degree about 5 years ago. I was a libertarian until a few years before that, and until a year ago I was in grad school.

I was also one of very few Bush voters in a liberal leaning History department during the start of the Iraq war.

I don't need to watch a Youtube video designed to scare conservative parents to understand what is going on in academia.

It is most certainly not common at American Universities to require CS students to take an entire class devoted to Marxism. That's why I asked for evidence because it is an extraordinary claim. And it sounds like a claim designed feed the conservative paranoia regarding college.

Re: OSSU: A path to a free self-taught education in computer science

#173

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> No one is trying to bait you into anything OK, I retract "baiting". Still not going to publish anything more. > you need to provide some supporting evidence I don't. > Obviously you care whether or not people believe what you wrote to some extent I do, but... > Who do you think you're going to harm? My son. > I guarantee the course requirements are publicly available. Likely true. However the dynamics that lead to…

>My son. If you think that posting a comment on hacker news revealing that your son was forced to take a particular class that you disagree with is going to harm your son, you are being deeply paranoid. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkNIOkGtnQ I went back to school to finish my CS degree about 5 years ago. I was a libertarian until a few years before that, and until a year ago I was in grad school. I was also on…

Please stop accusing people of that which you know nothing about. It is OK to disagree. To go from there to ascribe intent and motive is, well, unfair at best.

Re: OSSU: A path to a free self-taught education in computer science

#174

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>My son. If you think that posting a comment on hacker news revealing that your son was forced to take a particular class that you disagree with is going to harm your son, you are being deeply paranoid. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkNIOkGtnQ I went back to school to finish my CS degree about 5 years ago. I was a libertarian until a few years before that, and until a year ago I was in grad school. I was also on…

Please stop accusing people of that which you know nothing about. It is OK to disagree. To go from there to ascribe intent and motive is, well, unfair at best.

Sorry but if you show up on a public forum and start making deragotory statments about the university system as a whole, and then refuse to provide any supporting evidence to back up those claims, I'm going to question your motive.

You seem to have a serious axe to grind with college in general.

Re: OSSU: A path to a free self-taught education in computer science

#175

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Please stop accusing people of that which you know nothing about. It is OK to disagree. To go from there to ascribe intent and motive is, well, unfair at best.

Sorry but if you show up on a public forum and start making deragotory statments about the university system as a whole, and then refuse to provide any supporting evidence to back up those claims, I'm going to question your motive. You seem to have a serious axe to grind with college in general.

There you go, yet another conclusion about something you have absolutely no knowledge about.

I'll tell you what, the forum is yours. Conclude anything you want. Not my problem. Live long and prosper.

Re: OSSU: A path to a free self-taught education in computer science

#176

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Sorry but if you show up on a public forum and start making deragotory statments about the university system as a whole, and then refuse to provide any supporting evidence to back up those claims, I'm going to question your motive. You seem to have a serious axe to grind with college in general.

There you go, yet another conclusion about something you have absolutely no knowledge about. I'll tell you what, the forum is yours. Conclude anything you want. Not my problem. Live long and prosper.

> There you go, yet another conclusion about something you have absolutely no knowledge about.

From your public comments this is my conclusion.

You have an axe to grind with academia, because you believe that academia is indoctrinating kids with Marxist philosophy. If that's not what you believe, feel free to retract your statements.

Re: OSSU: A path to a free self-taught education in computer science

#177

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What does gp stand for?

GP stands for grandparent. In case you need an explanation: in the context of a forum, the parent comment is the one you are replying to, and the grandparent comment is the one your parent comment replied to.

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